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Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

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  • Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

    Received a claim? Yes
    Issue Date: 17-9-2014
    Amount approx: 900
    Claimant: Lowell
    Solicitor: Bryan Carter
    Original Credit: HFC Bank

    Particulars of Claim:
    The claimants claim is for the sum of £750 being monies due from the defendant to the claimant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 between the defendant HFC Bank Ltd under account ref xxxxx and assigned to the claimant on 01/09/2006 notice of which has been given to the defendant.

    The defendant failed to maintain contractual repayment under the terms of the agreement and a default notice has been served which has not been complied with.

    Stat Barred? Yes

    Have sent: Acknowledged the Claim, Sent a CPR 31.14 request

    Other Info:
    Hi,

    I've received a claim form on the 19th from the court and wondered if anyone could clear up a few details if possible.

    Bryan Carter solicitors are acting on behalf of Lowell Portfolio Ltd and they chasing an old debt I had with HFC bank which was assigned to Lowell in 2006 (according to the court claim form).

    I'm 99% sure this debt is Statute barred and these "people" are chancing it.

    I've been reading around for a few hours and so far I've logged into moneyclaim.gov.uk and I confirmed "intention to defend all of this claim".

    I've also borrowed a couple of letters (thanks to the people who put their time and effort into it ).

    My questions are:

    1. Will I receive confirmation from the court that I have 30 days from the issue date (17th sept) to enter a defence online.

    2. Is it worth submitting a SAR request to HFC Bank along with the 2 letters below just to remove the 1% doubt about it being statute barred?

    3. Am I doing it right?

    4. What should I expect next?

    Thanks.

    The first is this letter which I sent recorded delivery on the 22nd sept to both Lowell and Bryan Carter.

    MY ADDRESS


    Bryan Carter Solicitors
    11 De Havilland Drive
    Weybridge Surrey
    KT13 0YP

    By Recorded Delivery

    Date ??/09/2014

    I do not acknowledge any debt to you or any other company or organisation that you claim to be representing

    Dear Sir/Madam

    Acc No 0000000 Ref:000000

    You have contacted me regarding the account with the above reference number, which you claim is owed by me. I do not acknowledge any debt to you or any other company or organisation that you claim to be representing

    I would point out that under the Limitation Act 1980 Section 5

    “An action founded on simple contract shall not be brought after the expiration of six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued.”

    The last payment of this debt was made over six years ago and no further written acknowledgement or payment has been made since that time.

    Unless you can provide evidence of payment by myself or written acknowledgement of the debt from me in the relevant period under Section 5 of the Limitation Act, I suggest that you are no longer able to take any court action against me to recover the alleged amount claimed, and should you try to proceed with court action I must inform you that I shall defend this action in court citing Section 5 as part of my defence.

    The Regulatory Debt Collection Guidance states that “continuing to press for payment after a debtor has stated that they will not be paying a debt because it is statue barred could amount to harassment contrary to section 40 (1) of the Administration of Justice Act 1970”, which again should you try and proceed to court I will also use this as a defence.

    I await your written confirmation that no further contact will be made concerning the above account and confirmation that this matter is now closed.

    Yours sincerely,

    MY NAME TYPED
    The second letter is this one which is a bit longer (sorry!)

    MY ADDRESS

    Bryan Carter Solicitors
    11 De Havilland Drive
    Weybridge Surrey
    KT13 0YP

    By Recorded Delivery

    Date ??/09/2014

    REQUEST FOR INFORMATION IN RESPECT OF YOUR COUNTY COURT CLAIM NUMBER XXXXXXXXX

    In respect of your account number XXXXXXX and ref: XXXXXX

    ]I have received a recent court claim from your organisation. In order to file a defence I require some information. Given that this matter is now the subject of legal proceedings, you are obliged to disclose under the Civil Procedure Rules 31.14, the information and documents detailed below.

    The information must be furnished within fourteen days of the receipt of this letter. If you fail to comply, this will be reported to the Court, a copy of this letter will be provided as evidence to the same and an Order enforcing your compliance will be sought.

    1. A true copy of the executed credit agreement and any terms and conditions that applied to the account at the time of default and at the time the account was opened.

    2. All records you hold on me relevant to this case, including but not limited to:

    a. Transcriptions of all telephone conversations recorded and any notes made in relation to telephone conversations by your company, or by any previous creditor

    b. Where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my account formerly held with HFC Bank Ltd.

    c. True copies of any notice of assignment and/or default notice or enforcement notice that you or the original creditor sent me, with a copy of any proof of postage that you hold.

    d. Documents relating to any insurance added to the account, including the insurance contract and terms and conditions, date it was added and deleted (if applicable).

    e. Details of any collection charge added to the account; specifically, the date it was levied, the amount of the charge, a detailed financial breakdown of how the charge was calculated, and what the charge covers.

    f. Specific details of the fees/charges levied by any other agency in respect of this account and a detailed breakdown of said fees/charges and what each charge relates to and on what date said fees/charges were levied.

    g. A genuine copy of any notice of fair use of my data as required by the Data Protection Act 1998

    h. A list of third party agencies to whom you have disclosed my personal data and a summary of the nature of the information you have disclosed.

    i. Copies of statements for the entire duration of the credit agreement.

    3. I require your organisation to provide written confirmation that states clearly whether you currently hold an original signed Consumer Credit Agreement, or whether you do not hold an original signed Consumer Credit Agreement pertaining to myself.

    For the avoidance of doubt, an original signed Consumer Credit Agreement is just that; not an application for credit and not a reconstructed or microfiched document from other sources but indeed the original signed document purporting to be signed by myself.

    Please note that until such times as a legally enforceable, original Consumer Credit Agreement can be produced and a copy sent to me by return, then this letter is not an acknowledgement of debt and this account will remain in an unenforceable state protected in line with s.127 (CCA1974).

    4. Any other documents you seek to rely on in court.

    I will require this information within the next fourteen days. I must advise you that if the information is not forthcoming, it will be reported to the Court that you are trying to frustrate proceedings and denying me the opportunity to file a defence.

    Yours sincerely,

    MY NAME TYPED
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    Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

    I revived this of Bryan Carter today and am a tad confused where to go next



    Thanks for the time and effort if anyone replies Oh and sorry for the formatting!

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    • #3
      Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

      Looks like you are doing absolutely fine so don't worry - that is a bog standard response from Bryan Carter. Sorry to have missed your first posting.

      As well as sending the SAR and the Stat Barred letters did you send a CCA request - presumably it is a loan or credit card ? If not you need to get that done - http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...y-of-Agreement with a £1 postal order to Lowell.

      What date is your defence due in?
      #staysafestayhome

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      • #4
        Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

        On the Stat Barred issue - Lowell are well known for coming up with random payments made conveniently just inside the stat barred limit so if you can get hold of your banking statements from about the time when you think you stopped paying and afterwards ( just inside the stat barred timescale) that would help - a good way to do that is a SAR to your bank although it can take 40 days, quite often you do have 40 days between defending and getting to any hearing, and the transaction lists for the past six years should come with the SAR request.... and might help to evidence that you did not make a payment.

        It doesn't always happen but it is a good idea to be prepared just in case as the Judge does tend to accept Lowell's word for it (annoyingly) if you don't have evidence to the contrary.
        #staysafestayhome

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        • #5
          Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

          Hi and thanks so much for taking time out to reply.

          The only 2 letters I have sent so far are the ones in my post and I've stated I'm defending on the MCOL site.

          I'm really struggling to remember what kind of debt it is. It was odd, pretty much a credit card.

          The claim was issued on the 17th which I understand means that it's officially served 5 days after on the 22nd and I have 14 days after that which takes me to 6th oct? Although as I'm defending I understand I have 30 days?

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          • #6
            Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

            As you have acknowledged and are defending you have 33 days from the date of issue ( so 17th + 33 days ) You can work it out http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html

            Definately get the CCA request sent off them xx
            #staysafestayhome

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            • #7
              Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

              Hah, cheers, I'll get that sent asap and work on the SARS. Trouble is there may be 2 possible bank accounts, I'll have to check.

              Thanks again

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              • #8
                Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

                If the two accounts are with HSBC they are both covered under the SAR, which requires all personal data held by the firm. You will need to specify the account numbers to be sure they register that.

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                • #9
                  Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

                  Someone else has suggested an embarrassed defence and that I should send this letter to BC next.

                  Dear Sirs,

                  Claim No: xxxxxxxx
                  Lowell Portfolio I v Your name as it appear on the claim form

                  Request for documents mentioned in a statement of case under CPR 31.14

                  Thank you for your response to my request for disclosure of documents mentioned in your statement of case under CPR 31.14.

                  With regards to your assertion that ''we confirm this matter will most properly be allocated to the small claim track as this is a simple contractual matter and part 31 of the civil procedure rules will therefore not apply.''

                  Following appropriate advice I am afraid I must disagree, the case has not been allocated to a track for determination and as a consequence the provisions of CPR 27(2) have no effect and you should not seek to avoid compliance with your CPR 31 duties by claiming otherwise. If you continue to do so, this matter WILL be drawn to the courts attention for appropriate consideration.

                  Due to your refusal to comply with the civil procedure rules, I am unable to lodge my defence and/or counterclaim at this moment as I have no information regarding the alleged debt. However, if you continue to refuse to comply I SHALL lodge an 'embarrassed' defence with the courts, and seek a court direct to instruct you to comply with the civil procedure rules.

                  If you require more time in which to comply with this request you must tell me in writing and state a date by when you will comply with this request.

                  In addition I require a written statement that you agree to an extension of the time for me to file my defence. Your extension of time must be not less than 14 days from the date when you say you will have complied with my request and you must state the new date for filing my defence.

                  If you are unwilling to comply with my request for specific disclosure please inform me and I will be entering an application to the court to obtain such.

                  In accordance with CPR 31.15(c) I undertake to be responsible for your reasonable copying costs incurred in complying with this CPR 31.14 request.

                  I look forward to hearing from you within the next 7 days.

                  Yours faithfully

                  Same signature as last time

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                  • #10
                    Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

                    Just had another letter through the door just this second.

                    They are claiming I made a payment of £50.00 on the 2nd August 2011. (providing no proof).

                    I've just checked and I think I'm stuffed.

                    02 Aug 11 £50 J B DEBT RECOVERY CD 5435

                    Is it over? How do I avoid the CCJ? (I have a mortgage nowadays)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

                      get a tomlin order?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

                        how many forums are you asking on?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

                          4 separate forums trying to get a balanced view. Really appreciate peoples time and effort.

                          How do I go about a Tomlin order? Is that the only way to avoid the CCJ, couldn't I just phone them now and pay it off?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

                            Originally posted by MIKE770 View Post
                            how many forums are you asking on?
                            Why does that matter? Ask everywhere you can to get a general consensus of 'advice' and make your own mind up based on that, sounds sensible to me.
                            #staysafestayhome

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                            • #15
                              Re: Court Claim - Lowell / HFC Bank - 17-9-2014

                              So, the ''embarrased defence' is a bit mistitled, and would want to wait until you have the (non)response from the CCA request before entering. Rather than just saying 'dunno what you're talking about guv'nor' which is a bit of a fib anyway, you can then say you don't have all the documentation to enable you to consider the claim and in any case they can't enforce it while in default of you cca request. There's an example in the library which I'll get a link to, but all cases are different so there' not a ''template'' as such.

                              http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...t-Court-Claims
                              #staysafestayhome

                              Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                              Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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