Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

[bluebottle]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

To broad a statement.. Companies are allowed to keep information in relation to anything they want, its sharing it with third partys that could be a breach....but, as far as i remember, i think they would be able to share it with other members of there retail group, for crime prevention.... or, if you applied for a job as at a member of there consortium.

I have used the ICO extensively in the past.. you can ring them and check general terms, without having to make a complaint.

By the way pinkranger. I have a lot of respect for you saying this statement, both as a person and a parent

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BB abd TB, i havent read the case your on about, my advise to PR is more about a pragmatic approach, and i dont wish to argue against you in this, and i can see the sense in your argument, but it just doesn't feel right telling a 17yo who has done a stupid thing to take on the retailers......

To be honest, CC, it is better for Boots to learn now that the security goon acted unlawfully and, in so doing, completely trashed any case they believe they may have, rather than let RLP drop them well and truly in the proverbial and risk losing a court case, which is going to cost them dearly, not only in financial terms, but in damage to their reputation as retailers.

In a lot of cases, RLP tend to back away once they realise they are being faced with reasoned argument and they are going to have a struggle on their hands. Having seen some of the drivel they come out with, a first-year law student could punch their lights out in court.

[Amethyst]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

Sooner or later, Amethyst, RLP's disingenuous statements are going to catch up with them and bite them hard on their backsides.

I wish it'd hurry up and bite them and stop them scaring the willys out of people for making a mistake (or not as the case may be) - funnily enough we haven't heard from them for quite some time. Shaming people into paying money that is just not due or owed is something I utterly abhor.

[bluebottle]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

Sooner or later, Amethyst, RLP's disingenuous statements are going to catch up with them and bite them hard on their backsides.

[Crazy council]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

and also that by keeping a database like this it is actually illegal for them under section 10 of the data protection act 1998 to do this and pass it onto any third parties.

To broad a statement.. Companies are allowed to keep information in relation to anything they want, its sharing it with third partys that could be a breach....but, as far as i remember, i think they would be able to share it with other members of there retail group, for crime prevention.... or, if you applied for a job as at a member of there consortium.

I have used the ICO extensively in the past.. you can ring them and check general terms, without having to make a complaint.

By the way pinkranger. I have a lot of respect for you saying this statement, both as a person and a parent

I know what I did wrong and I am ashamed by it.

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BB abd TB, i havent read the case your on about, my advise to PR is more about a pragmatic approach, and i dont wish to argue against you in this, and i can see the sense in your argument, but it just doesn't feel right telling a 17yo who has done a stupid thing to take on the retailers......

[Amethyst]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

For CrazyCouncil - bedtime reading - http://legalbeagles.info/rlp-and-the...-and-the-lies/ - http://legalbeagles.info/civil-recov...-court-defeat/ - and of course the Oxford case - http://legalbeagles.info/civil-recov...s-of-hearings/

If you still hold the same opinions after that lot it'd be worth a debate xx

[bluebottle]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

Private security do not even have the right or power to ask for your name and address, TB.

[teaboy2]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

hi



Yes they did, he stole the items, as a retailer, once they have left the premises in someone elses hands, you can not put them back on the shelf as new... ( i had retail business 2003-2011 )... Secondly, he has tide up the time of the security staff and guard for how long ? First of all the item was in resale-able condition and returned. So yes it can be put back on the shelf (and items that can't be can be claimed on insurance, or written off against tax, or sent back to supplier as faulty or unsaleable goods and no cost to the retailer), secondly the wages of the staff and guard would need to have been paid in any case, so no loss their either. Oh and i worked in retail management and no the industry inside out, and currently own my second retail business!



Because he stole,

And the retailer has the right to impose his own fines and issue his own form of justice in conflict or running parallel to the criminal justice system does he - I think not. The retailer most be able to prove in court actual loss as a direct result of the OP's actions! Something they failed to prove in the oxfordshire test case - which says all their is to be said really!

CPS for prosecuting, Police for crime detection and prevention....and in this incident, seem to be working perfectly...

Police need to pass it to the CPS for prosecution, so its originally down to the police if they wish to prosecute (charge) a person, the CPS only get the final say on whether to go ahead with prosecution or not, and only then take on the prosecution!



No am saying he should pay, have a bit of respect, and not target the Innocent security guard or staff.... .

How is the gaurd innocent, he does not have to power to search a persons bag, only the power to detain in a lawful manner, and ask for the persons name and address.

I dont meen to be challange you here TB, i respect you, but the parent in me just took over.... sorry..

Don't worry about it, its always good to debate things amicably.

[bluebottle]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

Okay, I need to go now and because this is so long-winded can I just summarise and you can check?

I had a letter from RLP saying that I need to pay £147.50 as compensation and I asked whether the fact that they are going to have my information in a national database will affect my future and that I won't pass my background checks.

You're saying here that it won't affect my records and so it shouldn't affect the CRB/DBS checks, and also that by keeping a database like this it is actually illegal for them under section 10 of the data protection act 1998 to do this and pass it onto any third parties.

Rather than me giving up to them and pay the fine, you are suggesting that I should write to RLP and Cireco that it is illegal to keep my data (or at least pass it onto 3rd parties) under that act, and also mention the Oxfordshire Case and that there needs to be evidence of financial loss due to this.

And I should further mention that the security officer may have acted unlawfully.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Section 10 prevents them from processing data capable of causing harm or damage or exposure to harm or damage. It might be better if you came back onto this thread tomorrow and we helped you draft the necessary letters. I would not suggest you do them yourself, especially if you are not familiar with the relevant legislation or legal procedures.

[thepinkranger]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

THANK YOU SO MUCH for helping me out here and bearing with the never-ending questions I was asking. Without you I might have died of panic here

If I have any further questions, I'll post it here and hopefully you can answer it.

[thepinkranger]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

Okay, I need to go now and because this is so long-winded can I just summarise and you can check?

I had a letter from RLP saying that I need to pay £147.50 as compensation and I asked whether the fact that they are going to have my information in a national database will affect my future and that I won't pass my background checks.

You're saying here that it won't affect my records and so it shouldn't affect the CRB/DBS checks, and also that by keeping a database like this it is actually illegal for them under section 10 of the data protection act 1998 to do this and pass it onto any third parties.

Rather than me giving up to them and pay the fine, you are suggesting that I should write to RLP and Cireco that it is illegal to keep my data (or at least pass it onto 3rd parties) under that act, and also mention the Oxfordshire Case and that there needs to be evidence of financial loss due to this.

And I should further mention that the security officer may have acted unlawfully.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[thepinkranger]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

I'll send you a PM.

Thanks.

[bluebottle]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

bluebottle, can I ask what rank you had when you were a policeman or how long you were? You don't have to answer it if you don't want to. I just wanted to know how well you know all this cuz it's the internet and you know how the school education system is making sure you dont trust anyone on the internet. Please don't be offended by this you've been a great help.

I'll send you a PM.

[Crazy council]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

hi

Why should they pay it. Seriously £147.50 where the retailer never incurred a loss.

Yes they did, he stole the items, as a retailer, once they have left the premises in someone elses hands, you can not put them back on the shelf as new... ( i had retail business 2003-2011 )... Secondly, he has tide up the time of the security staff and guard for how long ?

Why should they pay it. Seriously £147.50.

Because he stole,

The police and CPS are their for prosecuting

CPS for prosecuting, Police for crime detection and prevention....and in this incident, seem to be working perfectly...

What you saying by stating they should pay, is that you support what is in fact a unlawful fine issued by a retailer and their puppet civil recovery company

No am saying he should pay, have a bit of respect, and not target the Innocent security guard or staff.... .

I dont meen to be challange you here TB, i respect you, but the parent in me just took over.... sorry..

[thepinkranger]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

I would be inclined to serve it on both RLP and Cireco. That way, they cannot claim they did not know. Make sure any Section 10 notice is sent by Recorded Delivery or Special Delivery. That way, a signature is obtained on delivery.

okay

[thepinkranger]

Re: Letter from RLP after caught shoplifting from Boots

bluebottle, can I ask what rank you had when you were a policeman or how long you were? You don't have to answer it if you don't want to. I just wanted to know how well you know all this cuz it's the internet and you know how the school education system these days is making sure you dont trust anyone on the internet. Please don't be offended by this you've been a great help.