paying double rent

[PlanB]

Re: paying double rent

if we can find legal advisors, can we claim that money back?

What paperwork have you got to prove what was agreed about the rent and security etc from the time you took on the garages? If it was a casual arrangement this may make things harder. Also what evidence have you got that the cars actually went into the garages?

[PlanB]

Re: paying double rent

I would be inclined to report the landlord to the police as they have misrepresented the fact that your OH had exclusive use of the garage when, in fact, Zav had use of them, too. I would also advise Zav to do the same because he is just as much a victim as your OH.

Unless it was Zav who *relocated* the vehicles when he got the keys to the garages . . . .

[PlanB]

Re: paying double rent

we know that this guy Zav has been renting the self same garages for 5 years, and they were empty when he rented them apart from "crap like leaves, coffee cups and spiders webs".

Well he would say that wouldn't he. Did you get that fact as a result of a lie detector test?

[Inca]

Re: paying double rent

I was basing m maths from 2006-13 7 years......my mistake.......going back to the teapot now

[PlanB]

Re: paying double rent

Last Friday, we receive a letter from the DVLA that someone has tried to register the O/Hs land rover as theirs

Surely the key to solving this mystery and catching the thief is with the DVLA who have the name and address of the person who thinks they now own your Land Rover. Get them to ask him/her who they bought the vehicle from. Get the mileage off the car and cross check it with the mileage recorded when you put it in the garage (it will be on your last MOT). If there's a major discrepancy could this suggest that Zav or *someone* he knows has been driving around in your car for the last five years since he was being paid to be the "Watchman" and clearly didn't do his job properly?

[CleverClogs]

Re: paying double rent

4 lockups @45 pw EACH?..= £180 per month x 84 months =15,120.....OR AM i BEING THICK??

How did 84 come in to the calculation?

Is it now my turn to have a go at the maths?

£45 per week = £195 per month (45 x 52 weeks divided by 12 for per calendar month) 5 years = 60 months

Answer: £11,700

You're both wrong.

4 lock-ups @ £ 45 per week each = £ 180 per week
52 weeks per year x £ 180 per week = £ 9,360 per year
£ 9,360 x 5 = £ 46,800

Puff needs to establish the date the cars vanished since up until that point it's arguable that she got what she paid for.

The motor cars had probably "vanished" before the garages were improperly re-let.

Whether Zav stole the vehicles himself or was merely negligent in his role of "watchman", he seems to be at least partly liable for their loss.

To investigate this further, one needs to establish who was seeking to register the Land Rover in their own name and from whom he had tried to buy it. He had not actually bought it, as the vendor could not have had legal title to that motor car - nemo dat quod non habet, as one might say.

On the other hand, it might be simpler to go after the landlord, as the motor cars and other goods were lost whilst in his bailment, for which he was being paid £ 9,360 per annum.

The claim should therefore be for the landlord to render up the motor cars and other goods left in his bailment or (specified) value thereof, plus the rent improperly taken. The motor cars and other goods could be perhaps another £ 10,000.

[Inca]

Re: paying double rent

I was doing 7 years..12 months per year =84 months.,,,,,,,,,,,and I'm a doofus and have retired gracefully from anything that requires any form of thinking today as I have clearly over used my one brain cell

[PlanB]

Re: paying double rent

You're both wrong.

4 lock-ups @ £ 45 per week each = £ 180 per week
52 weeks per year x £ 180 per week = £ 9,360 per year
£ 9,360 x 5 = £ 46,800

. . . . . The claim should therefore be for the landlord to render up the motor cars and other goods left in his bailment or (specified) value thereof, plus the rent improperly taken. The motor cars and other goods could be perhaps another £10,000.

Maths never was my strong point

But I do know that £10k wouldn't cover the cost of the missing cars because this 1960's Mini is for sale at £22k. Do you recognise it Puff (or any others on here) http://www.plmini.com/stlt.htm

[CleverClogs]

Re: paying double rent

45 x 4 = 180 (monthly)
180 x 12 x 5

Were you the girl on The Golden Shot? (link)

[Hurricane Puffrose]

Re: paying double rent

I have been asked to write a letter to the money grabbing toerag.
What is scaring me is, if he wants to play hard ball and involve a solicitor, its £200 per hour!!
Where the bloody hell am I going to get £200 per hour (to begin with) and a £500 deposit???

just to clear up the money side of it.. Hubby is so upset he quoted me 45pw, he meant per MONTH. So we are seeking £180 per MONTH for 5 years.. sorry I will belt him with the rolling pin later!!
ok , please feel free to edit as and when


TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

RE: BREACH OF CONTRACT.

I have an agreement with you dating from the mid 1980s, which states I will pay £180 per month for the sole use of garages numbered 7,11,13, 15. As per our agreement they will be secure, clean and maintained.

We have recently become aware you have failed to comply with the terms agreed between ourselves, in so much as the garages have been emptied, and that you have rented the same garages out to Mr Z of 123 the high road Somewhere London, therefore I am holding you in Breach Of Contract and claiming back costs for that.

I have also suffered consequential loses, namely a series 3 Land Rover, assorted tools, frames for various motorcycles and a 1960s John Cooper Mini.

I were informed on arrival at the Garages Mr Z had been told "they never pay, the garages have been cleared", however at no time have I received formal notice of property removal, formal request for me to remove property or notice of theft to garages.
I was also informed the garages had no gate from the street, and no doors on any of the lock ups. As I are paying for the maintainance and security of these garages, I feel I should have been informed of such damage and any loss of my propery.

I have never been advised of any changes to security, or issued a key to access the gate to the garages, and have had no contact regarding any movement of the contents of said garages.

When I moved home, my wife contacted your offices and gave the full address, plus arranged the change of banking details with a lady who asked her to confirm the numbers of the garages, yet you have rented them out again.

I trust you will give this your utmost attention, arrange a suitable refund to my accounts for the amount of the rent for 5 years.

I will look forward to hearing from you within 28 days.

yours

Mr Puffrose

[wales01man]

Re: paying double rent

Good luck a safe bet is that this lowlife will ignore the letter and you will be forced to legal action.
If the conman can double let the garages and allow the cars to go walkabout maybe having a hand in it he wont give a monkees about a threat .
Is the landlord a sole trader or a LTD company and does the original owner still own the garages?
Remember a solicitor who you may have to engage will ask many questions maybe other members can help with the questions that may be asked.
I think we are all rooting for you and you get a result

[Hurricane Puffrose]

Re: paying double rent

im not sure about the company status, i think hes a small company.

im hoping that he will be ready to play ball, but we cannot afford to pay someone £200ph, thats just ridiculous!

[CleverClogs]

Re: paying double rent

What is scaring me is, if he wants to play hard ball and involve a solicitor, its £200 per hour!!

Why are you concerned about his legal costs?

just to clear up the money side of it.. Hubby is so upset he quoted me 45pw, he meant per MONTH. So we are seeking £180 per MONTH for 5 years..

£ 10,800

sorry I will belt him with the rolling pin later!!

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

Do you not know the identity of the spiv you'll probably have to sue?

RE: BREACH OF CONTRACT.

It's more than merely a breach of contract.

I have an agreement with you dating from the mid 1980s, which states I will pay £180 per month for the sole use of garages numbered 7,11,13, 15. As per our agreement they will be secure, clean and maintained .

We have recently become aware you have failed to comply with the terms agreed between ourselves, in so much as the garages have been emptied, and that you have rented the same garages out to Mr Z of 123 the high road Somewhere London, therefore I am holding you in Breach Of Contract and claiming back costs for that. Furthermore, the garages contained a series 3 Land Rover, assorted tools, frames for various motorcycles and a 1960s John Cooper Mini. all of which were left in your bailment; I therefore require you to render up these goods or the value thereof which I estimate to be £ nn,nnn.

I was informed on arrival at the Garages that Mr Z had been told "they never pay, the garages have been cleared", however at no time have I received formal notice of property removal, formal request for me to remove property or notice of theft from the garages. Nor had I (nor anyone acting on my behalf) removed any of the contents of the garages.

I was also informed the garages had no gate from the street, and no doors on any of the lock ups. As I had been paying for the maintenance and security of these garages, I feel I should have been informed of such damage and any loss of my property. Consequently, I hold you liable for the loss of the goods I had left in what I had been led to believe was safe and secure storage.

I trust you will give this your utmost attention, arrange a suitable refund to my accounts for the amount of the rent for 5 years.

What about the stolen goods?

And send a copy to watchdog@bbc.co.uk, as the spiv may have cheated others in the same way.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

Re: paying double rent

thanks for the Edit BB,.

we have an appointment with the SYP today, hopefully we can at least get the Land Rover back (HOPEFULLY).

I wasn't concerned about his legal fees, I was worried about mine. I simply cannot afford the amounts they want, £180 ph for one person, 130ph for another and £200 ph for the solicitor themselves, plus an up front payment we haven't got.. finding out if we can get any help is as good as saying "Could you please ram my head against that wall for me and save me the trouble?"

Normal people on the street simply cannot afford to fight back, so im hoping against hope that this works.

[CleverClogs]

Re: paying double rent

thanks for the Edit BB,.

Eh?

we have an appointment with the SYP today, hopefully we can at least get the Land Rover back (HOPEFULLY).

I hope so, too. The plods may also be able to trace how that vehicle passed to the person who tried to re-register it, which could reveal the identity of the thief.

I wasn't concerned about his legal fees, I was worried about mine. I simply cannot afford the amounts they want, £180 ph for one person, 130ph for another and £200 ph for the solicitor themselves, plus an up front payment we haven't got.. finding out if we can get any help is as good as saying "Could you please ram my head against that wall for me and save me the trouble?"

Normal people on the street simply cannot afford to fight back, so im hoping against hope that this works.

Perhaps you could post about your problem on a legal services forum such as LB and ask one of the site owners to help? :rofl:

It certainly seems odd that the landlord cannot ensure security of the garages, considering that his occupation is to sell and fit garage doors.