The real effect of benefit sanctions - DISGRACEFUL! :(

[seduraed]

Re: The real effect of benefit sanctions - DISGRACEFUL!

Wait and see the workhouses will be back.

[enaid]

Re: The real effect of benefit sanctions - DISGRACEFUL!

What we do

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is responsible for welfare, pensions and child maintenance policy. As the UK’s biggest public service department it administers the State Pension and a range of working age, disability and ill health benefits to over 22 million claimants and customers.

There is the problem, too big for it's own good or any one else's imho

[Kati]

Re: The real effect of benefit sanctions - DISGRACEFUL!

And ... they've got to find a way to save money from the claimants. It was in the PMs election manifesto.

How are they going to do that if they cannot sanction people for stupid reasons and not have any comeback (appeals/tribunals etc...)

[jon1965]

Re: The real effect of benefit sanctions - DISGRACEFUL!

The largest amount of money goes to pensioners and working people . If they took the bull by the horns and insisted a living wage was paid they would save a fortune but instead they believe in a free market economy which pushes wages down . The apprenticeship idea is a joke , paying people a pittance-it wouldn't be as bad if they learnt a trade but with the likes of Aldi doing it, and I am not saying working there is easy but it doesn't take 3 years to learn how to stack shelves.

As for the workhouse, when you study the poor laws you realise what goes around comes around -less eligibility, the middle classes and sadly the working classes looking down on what they think are undeserving without actually understanding the problems , the work house will be back. They try to manipulate us and feed us propaganda so that we fall for it. They are all as bad as each other , Blair lied to us and politically he is a Tory , what happened to socialism , and if anyone tries to tell me that capitalism works=just look at the bloody mess we are in now

[FlamingParrot]

Re: The real effect of benefit sanctions - DISGRACEFUL!

one guy I know got put on a 'Employability training' course in town. No problem there ... apart from the fact it took him 1.5hrs to get to town on the bus and there was another 30+ mins walk on top of that He lives in the middle of nowhere, a mile from the main road down a dirt track with no service bus before 7:30am or after 5:30pm and they're every 3hrs then. He was moaned at every day of the 2wk course because he arrived late and had to leave early or he wouldn't get home at all :sad: But at least he made the effort to turn up!!

Do you know what they did on the course?? Built models out of loo roll tubes and sticky tape and did a group presentation on FISH :fish2: . Everyone on the course meant to get a NVQ certificate at the end of it, but the company went into administration so none of the participants (19 of them) have got anything to show for it 2yrs later.

What sort of NVQ was that? Fishing? Model making? :lol:

I wonder how much of the so-called 'welfare bill' goes to all those private companies that provide useless services. :mmph:

There is a danger that this thread will go off onto an anti DWP IDS rant, which is fine by me as I wouldn't xxxx on them if they were on fire.

As the OP on this thread, I have no problem with that. :grin:

Then there's my fella. When he was sent on a course (a few years ago now) he was told that he had to remove most of the qualifications from his CV. These were mostly the ones he had gained working for Governmental departments while living in Austria, although he was also advised to not bother putting his teaching qualifications on either (as they might put a potential employer off hiring him)

What sort of jobs was he applying for?

And ... they've got to find a way to save money from the claimants. It was in the PMs election manifesto.

How are they going to do that if they cannot sanction people for stupid reasons and not have any comeback (appeals/tribunals etc...)

...which will end up costing more than what they saved by not paying those people their £72/week!

The largest amount of money goes to pensioners and working people . If they took the bull by the horns and insisted a living wage was paid they would save a fortune but instead they believe in a free market economy which pushes wages down . The apprenticeship idea is a joke , paying people a pittance-it wouldn't be as bad if they learnt a trade but with the likes of Aldi doing it, and I am not saying working there is easy but it doesn't take 3 years to learn how to stack shelves.

Why should the government subsidise profit making companies in that way? Would be different if they were working on community projects.

As for the workhouse, when you study the poor laws you realise what goes around comes around -less eligibility, the middle classes and sadly the working classes looking down on what they think are undeserving without actually understanding the problems , the work house will be back. They try to manipulate us and feed us propaganda so that we fall for it. They are all as bad as each other , Blair lied to us and politically he is a Tory , what happened to socialism , and if anyone tries to tell me that capitalism works=just look at the bloody mess we are in now

Capitalism works to a certain extent, but if left to its own devices, it self-destructs, kills itself, as would have been the case in 2008 had it not been put under £ife $upport with bai£out$. No system works 100%, there has to be a balance. A successful system has to be managed like a garden: growth should be encouraged but only up to a certain point. If something grows out of place and threatens to take over or kill off something else, it has to be trimmed back. The most aggressive and invasive things need to be kept in check, otherwise the whole thing turns into a jungle, just like American capitalism really. :lol:

[Amethyst]

Re: The real effect of benefit sanctions - DISGRACEFUL!

Lords don't get £400 a day. Their attendance fee is up to £300 and they sit for around 15 days each month - if they attend all sittings it works out about £50k a year. And that picture isn't from the Lords Budget debate either, it's like the pictures of the really busy HoC ''debating MP's payrise' or the really empty one 'debating working families' rubbish. ( sorry I know you know that it just bugs me )


( Post this referred to has now been deleted I'm not just being completely random )

[Kati]

Re: The real effect of benefit sanctions - DISGRACEFUL!

I wonder how much of the so-called 'welfare bill' goes to all those private companies that provide useless services.

well ... I know that these providers get paid a set amount of £££s per placement plus more if they find them a job. Then even more if the worker is still in employment after 3 or 6 months (depending on who the provider is) :tinysmile_aha_t:. I'm just trying to find out the figures again after my laptop died but it's pretty high :sad:

What sort of jobs was he applying for?

Translation and teaching work mostly ... he worked as a translator in Austria and Syria for the Austrian Government and taught English as a second language to the Germans/Austrians

Why should the government subsidise profit making companies in that way? Would be different if they were working on community projects.

see Community Work Placements (https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vider-guidance and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_work_placements) I know of a few people who have been forced to give up their own voluntary work in order to go on one of these schemes. The providers are meant to place people in schemes (which are for 30hrs/wk and last 26wks) that 'benefit the community', but often they're just shoved in big charity shops or put on street cleaning duties etc...