MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

**Amethyst** · 11th February 2011, 16:12:PM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Well from informative, useful videos you have kinda now crossed over into marketing for your CMC business so I can see where the MOJ are coming from. You can't (IMO) be a campaigner for fairness and earn your living off the back of it,...plus if it did become a CMC then we couldnt link to you for obvious reasons...plus I think you are trying to get a teeny piece of a diminshing pie a bit too late (but thats just my opinion)

Have you undertaken any claims for people other than yourself for renumeration or payment in kind ?

Redwood Legal will be doing the claims on your behalf ? on what basis ? How do you get paid ?

**Amethyst** · 11th February 2011, 16:17:PM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Also just so you are completely aware of my stance on such issues I posted this recently CMC PPI peeps attn pls - Legal Beagles Consumer Forum and you should probably have a read of the debt management and claims management companies forum. As well as helping people reclaim their own PPI on their own we help people gain redress when they have been royally screwed and let down by CMCs and DMCs. Advertising is just not what we do.

**Brian** · 11th February 2011, 17:09:PM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Alex, I can only speak for myself, Ive found your Vids to be excellent, very up to the minute and seeing the issues from a Lawyers angle which aint no bad thing..

I will for sure keep tuning into Cartoon Bankers to see how the cases are going as each one you've done has its own twists and turns.

Bri

**Cartoon Bankers** · 11th February 2011, 18:59:PM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Amethyst

Please re-read my post as I think your response has been a bit harsh.

Cartoon Bankers will be information only.

I did not want to setup a CMC but it was recommended by other colleagues that I go down this route and as you can see by my post I am open to all comments about this decision!

I have been as transparent as I can with all the information that I provide and NO ONE else in the industry is doing what I have done and a big reason is fear.

I am not touting for business and I am simply trying to share what goes on in the industry.

I deal with a LOW number of cases at any one time and I do not operate as a factory operation. Everyone is treated on a case by case basis.

I also have to disagree that the pie is diminishing there are lots of people out there that need the help of professionals and also information provided by this forum.

Alex Woods
Solicitor & Non Practising Barrister
Cartoon Bankers

**ed.** · 13th February 2011, 02:52:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

On a DIY forum you want advice on how to set up a CMC due to problems with the MOJ which will handle claims, and you say Ame has been harsh?

If you don't want to set up a CMC why do you have a problem with the MOJ wherein you are obviously looking for permission to set up a CMC?

If you don't want to tout for business but simply share what goes on in the industry, then why 9 posts in why haven't you shared, and asked advice on how to get round the MOJ?

It's a contact us page problem that you've not received any business from, yet you deal with a low number of cases at any one time that you deal with on a case by case basis?

If you don't want to promo why are you asking for people to offer advice on market intelligence and improve your site?

If your other site is informatory only, why the panic on being offline, when you only handle a low number of cases?

AND if you don't want to create yourself as a CMC why are you wanting to set up a CLAIMS ARM?

Pick a position dude....

Ame is being harsh......PMSL

With contradictions like that, no wonder you aren't a practising barrister, sorry mate - that really is pathetic, if that's not what you wanted to discharge....think about what you planned to say.

**EXC** · 13th February 2011, 03:57:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Originally posted by Cartoon Bankers View Post

Amethyst

Please re-read my post as I think your response has been a bit harsh.

I think it is entirely unreasonable and inappropriate for you to describe Amethyst's response as harsh.

If you posted this on any other comparable forum (CAG, MSE, PC) it would have been pulled in a heartbeat. The fact that it still remains here is testament to Amethyst's gracious hospitality.

This forum exists to enable the less fortunate to help figure out their problems for themselves. It does not exist as a free resource on which to canvas unpaid advice to enable businessmen to further profit from activities that Legal Beagles do for nothing.

**Cartoon Bankers** · 14th February 2011, 01:24:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Wow - What a backlash and I do acknowledge that this is a "D.I.Y Forum" hence the creation of videos to detail my experience from the frontline.

I really thought the information I shared would encourage those brave souls who HAVE taken on the banks and also to help prepare them from a legal standpoint OR at least encourage them to read and do more research.

I will repeat statement from first post -

Depending on feedback I may simply leave setting up the claims arm until later or not at all!

Maybe I should have asked the following questions:

1) Should I get an MOJ licence - even though I do not need it as I am a Solicitor currently working for a Law Firm in London.

2) If i get a MOJ licence then will this stop people watching my videos.

3) What is worst an MOJ licence OR The Banks?

4) Should I charge a subscription fee for the information I share on cartoon bankers?

Thanks again for your responses and I have taken what has been said on board.

Cartoon Bankers will continue to be a informational site (as stated in the First post) and I have removed any reference to services that I offer.

Alex Woods

CartoonBankers

**Amethyst** · 14th February 2011, 09:02:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Peoples experiences of CMCs have not been all that brilliant to date, I know there are good ones and bad ones as in any industry.

Why do you feel you want an MOJ licence besides being a practising solicitor ?

Can you run a Claims Management Company whilst being employed as a solicitor ? (SRA wise?)

Why do you need 'redstone' to do the cases if you are a solicitor ? would you be paid referral fees ? How would you monitor them and their handling of cases entrusted to you ?

Where would your clients come from ?

Would you be acting in their best interests or your own (bad question I know but we see so many people being told they have a valid claim for PPI when they actually never had a PPI product in their life- have a read of some of the massive Cento Client Review thread for a better idea of some peoples experiences which might help you see why you got the reaction you did)

Lots of the CMCs post on forums like Affiliates4U and you may get some different thoughts from there. Whilst we do understand some people like to use a CMC we cannot advocate it at all. Claiming PPI isn't difficult. The FOS forms aren't difficult. A SAR isn't difficult.

The MOJ take 7 weeks or longer to process applications for new CMCs to protect consumers, look how many companies on the MOJ claims reg site have fallen by the wayside or been cancelled/suspended.

4) Should I charge a subscription fee for the information I share on cartoon bankers?

Says a lot that you are asking that.

Shame.

**Cartoon Bankers** · 14th February 2011, 10:38:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Cant you see that the statement below was said in jest?

4) Should I charge a subscription fee for the information I share on cartoon bankers?

What happened to your sense of humour? lol

Please also note that I have to disagree with your statement:

Claiming PPI isn't difficult. The FOS forms aren't difficult. A SAR isn't difficult.

There are many many people vulnerable people out there who DO need help and the Banks really do put up a fight and judging from my experience the percentage of consumers that persevere is quite low.

This forum is a fantastic resource for people BUT many will arrive here and they get confused with the large amount of information available.

You also have to factor in laziness, apathy AND the fact that not everyone likes reading.

Thoughts?

Alex Woods

**EXC** · 14th February 2011, 10:42:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Originally posted by Cartoon Bankers View Post

Cant you see that the statement below was said in jest?

4) Should I charge a subscription fee for the information I share on cartoon bankers?

In short, no.

**Cartoon Bankers** · 14th February 2011, 10:47:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

EXC

It was written in jest - lol

Thanks for replying

Alex Woods

**Amethyst** · 14th February 2011, 10:56:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

I lost any sense of humour relating to CMCs screwing people out of hundreds or thousands of pounds for nothing in return a long time ago.

So you may be different and you may have morals, but I don't know you, and I will do my utmost to protect consumers who come here for help being 'syphoned' off to CMCs we know nothing about.

Yes you have done a few videos, not earth shattering, interesting to see your view as a solicitor. It doesn't mean I automatically trust you and know you.

So go and get your MOJ licence, get some evidence and earnyourself clients by having a damn good reputation. You are not advertising here.

**EXC** · 14th February 2011, 10:58:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

I don't think it is reasonable to ask people to go the trouble of unwittingly considering and responding to questions needlessly for the sake of amusement.

To be perfectly honest I did think this was said in jest:

Originally posted by Cartoon Bankers View Post

there are lots of people out there that need the help of professionals

The reason being that it doesn't quite chime with your approach ie professionals needing the helping the help of laypersons.

**leclerc** · 14th February 2011, 10:59:AM

Re: MOJ removal of CartoonBankers by Alex Woods

Originally posted by Cartoon Bankers View Post

Cant you see that the statement below was said in jest?

4) Should I charge a subscription fee for the information I share on cartoon bankers?

What happened to your sense of humour? lol

Please also note that I have to disagree with your statement:

Claiming PPI isn't difficult. The FOS forms aren't difficult. A SAR isn't difficult.

There are many many people vulnerable people out there who DO need help and the Banks really do put up a fight and judging from my experience the percentage of consumers that persevere is quite low.
The vulnerable can be prone to being ripped off not only by the bank but by the fee charging CMC as well. Again see the Centro thread mentioned above.
This forum is a fantastic resource for people BUT many will arrive here and they get confused with the large amount of information available.
That is why they ask questions. None us were born with knowledge but asked questions, looked up information and guided people through a process in which that knowledge became their knowledge. They then helped people themselves.
You also have to factor in laziness, apathy AND the fact that not everyone likes reading.
They are unlikely to come here either if they are lazy or don't like reading.

Thoughts?

Alex Woods

See above for the thoughts.

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