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As some of you may have seen I have been communicating with David Jack (lib dem stoke on trent parlimentary candidate) about his plans to 'rescue' customers of Cartel Client Review.
I have felt uncomfortable with him and his motives since he began posting on his website principally attacking Cartel without hard evidence of the 'hundreds' of complaints from agents, master agents and customers.
He has fallen out with the MOJ. The MOJ say that Carl Wright (MD of Cartel) assists and consults with the MOJ to expose 'non ethical' CMCs. They have also threatened him with libel action over disclosures he made about a meeting he had with an moj compliance Officer who basically said Cartel were untouchable.
Anyway, taking that with a pinch of salt, it led to David inviting me to attend his ''seminars' to put forward the ''rescue package''.
This then led to a company called Century21 contacting me about a follow up conference.
I contacted Century21 as they professed to have had 1700 settled claims but when I checked them out were run from an estate agency and only registered with Companies House and with the MOJ Claims reg peeps in June as claims managers. The estate agents involved are EX cartel master agents.
So they have sent me the pre conference information. Which I think is interesting myself. Commission structures and contracts (all attached below)
Or do I just leave people to work it out for themselves whilst keep plugging away at people that they CAN deal with all the issues themselves and there are decent solicitors if it gets to a point they need to go to court (WHICH is unlikely in the end as the test cases are going to make it uneccessary).
Attached are the agreements for provision of claims referral services with Century21 and the legal team along with a schedule of fees and commissions.
If you can complete them and return by post to
Claims Referral Service
Century 21 Finance Claims Limited
80-82 Church Street
Stoke-on-Trent
Staffordshire
ST4 1BS
That would be most appreciated.
Could you also indicate as to whether you were a Master Agent or normal agent with Cartel so that we can group the right people together in the class action proceedings for the refund of fees.
I did ask the MOJ but they are next to useless.
Something doesnt feel right.
Hello,
I am e-mailing you on behalf of David Jack, Parliamentary Candidate for Stoke North and Director of the Association of Mortgage Victims whom you may recall has been running the campaign on ethical claims management in partnership with Century 21 Finance Claims.
Please find attached the introducer pack in relation to the client rescue package recently discussed.
We have now secured the model and are very confident of its operation and robustness. We are getting good audit results as well as good turn around on cases that simply haven’t got a claim and are therefore able to tell the client that they have no claim and refund them immediately, (something other claims firms are hanging on to for months and months after!) We have managed to log 140 court cases over 2 days in London Central Courts for 3 week's time. The results of these cases will be fully published –win or lose!
It has only taken us 12 weeks or less in some cases, of the clients coming through the doors to get to this stage, something that other claims companies talk about but very rarely can we get any evidence of it actually happening. As David has stated on many occasions there is no need to hide behind secrecy everything we do must be open, transparent and above board for all to see.
We are now holding a Training Day for representatives looking to introduce new clients to us.
This training day will be held on Saturday the 14th of November 2008 at 10:30am to about 2pm at
Century 21
80-82 Church Street
Stoke-on-Trent
Staffordshire
ST4 1BS.
If you are considering or wish to introduce new clients or rescue existing clients from failed CMC’s with us, please confirm by e-mail that you wish to attend.
Please also ensure that you complete the necessary forms attached and send them to us directly in advance of the training day.
If you wish to discuss this further, please feel free to contact David Jack on 01782 844844, mobile 07504007859 or at info@century21financeclaims.co.uk.
Kind regards,
80-82 Church Street
Stoke-on-Trent
Staffordshire
ST4 1BS
Century 21 Finance Claims Ltd.
Commission Schedule for C21 reps
The following commissions will be payable in accordance with the Rolling Sales Agreement and may be amended from time to time:
For the sale of a Mortgage or Secured Loan or Previously Repossessed Unwind, Century 21 Finance Claims Limited product @ £495 (inclusive of vat) the representative shall be paid £200.00
For the sale of a Car Finance, Personal Unsecured Loan, Century 21 Finance Claims Limited product @ £199 (inclusive of vat) the representative shall be paid £99.00
For the sale of a Credit Card, Century 21 Finance Claims Limited product @ £199 and £250(inclusive of vat) the representative shall be paid £99.00
Where a Representative sells a product for a partial initial fee (i.e. not £495) (Requires the written consent of Century 21 Finance Claims Limited) the Representative will be paid at the same percentage i.e. 40%.
Example - £200 as a percentage of £495 = 40%
Partial Initial Fee of £199 = 40% = £80.00
The balance between the partial initial fee and the product fee of £495.00 is payable when the claim is successful (in addition to any success fee). The balance of the commission will be payable to the Representative upon receipt of these cleared funds.
Where a Representative sells a product where the initial fee is deferred
(Requires the written consent of Century 21 Finance Claims Limited) the Representatives commission will be paid when the claim is successful and the cleared funds have been received by Century 21 Finance Claims Limited
All commissions will be payable on the first of each month. The Representative’s sales will be calculated up to the 25th of the preceding month.
It should be noted that the above commissions:
Shall only become payable on receipt of cleared funds from the customer.
Shall have VAT added where applicable
Century21 Commission Structure below
DO YOU NEED GENUINE ADDITIONAL INCOME?
I have felt uncomfortable with him and his motives since he began posting on his website principally attacking Cartel without hard evidence of the 'hundreds' of complaints from agents, master agents and customers.
He has fallen out with the MOJ. The MOJ say that Carl Wright (MD of Cartel) assists and consults with the MOJ to expose 'non ethical' CMCs. They have also threatened him with libel action over disclosures he made about a meeting he had with an moj compliance Officer who basically said Cartel were untouchable.
Anyway, taking that with a pinch of salt, it led to David inviting me to attend his ''seminars' to put forward the ''rescue package''.
This then led to a company called Century21 contacting me about a follow up conference.
I contacted Century21 as they professed to have had 1700 settled claims but when I checked them out were run from an estate agency and only registered with Companies House and with the MOJ Claims reg peeps in June as claims managers. The estate agents involved are EX cartel master agents.
So they have sent me the pre conference information. Which I think is interesting myself. Commission structures and contracts (all attached below)
Or do I just leave people to work it out for themselves whilst keep plugging away at people that they CAN deal with all the issues themselves and there are decent solicitors if it gets to a point they need to go to court (WHICH is unlikely in the end as the test cases are going to make it uneccessary).
Originally posted by Century21
Attached are the agreements for provision of claims referral services with Century21 and the legal team along with a schedule of fees and commissions.
If you can complete them and return by post to
Claims Referral Service
Century 21 Finance Claims Limited
80-82 Church Street
Stoke-on-Trent
Staffordshire
ST4 1BS
That would be most appreciated.
Could you also indicate as to whether you were a Master Agent or normal agent with Cartel so that we can group the right people together in the class action proceedings for the refund of fees.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:38:48 +0100
Thank you for your e-mail.Yes we also have an estate agency –part of the century 21 group with over 70 offices in the uk and over 8000 worldwide.We have handled 1700 cases so far-to litigation and 6000 plus in pipeline in the last few months. It is not a new direction-but there has been a lotof misinformation within the industry and it has taken us 3 years to arrive where we know what is needed legally and we have the required funding(2.5 billion).The A>T>E> is vital. The free audit within 48 hours –we know what is a potential claim-it avoids us taking unnecessary cases day one-it is not just if they have a loan or not. The wbsite is currently being updated. 83% on credit cards pass first audit but we have many more stats based on the particular product. Our next seminar will probably on 29 th October. Based on the previous one it will be well attended. Please contact to register your attendance.
Thank you for your e-mail.Yes we also have an estate agency –part of the century 21 group with over 70 offices in the uk and over 8000 worldwide.We have handled 1700 cases so far-to litigation and 6000 plus in pipeline in the last few months. It is not a new direction-but there has been a lotof misinformation within the industry and it has taken us 3 years to arrive where we know what is needed legally and we have the required funding(2.5 billion).The A>T>E> is vital. The free audit within 48 hours –we know what is a potential claim-it avoids us taking unnecessary cases day one-it is not just if they have a loan or not. The wbsite is currently being updated. 83% on credit cards pass first audit but we have many more stats based on the particular product. Our next seminar will probably on 29 th October. Based on the previous one it will be well attended. Please contact to register your attendance.
Originally posted by me
Originally posted by century21
I did ask the MOJ but they are next to useless.
Something doesnt feel right.
Hello,
I am e-mailing you on behalf of David Jack, Parliamentary Candidate for Stoke North and Director of the Association of Mortgage Victims whom you may recall has been running the campaign on ethical claims management in partnership with Century 21 Finance Claims.
Please find attached the introducer pack in relation to the client rescue package recently discussed.
We have now secured the model and are very confident of its operation and robustness. We are getting good audit results as well as good turn around on cases that simply haven’t got a claim and are therefore able to tell the client that they have no claim and refund them immediately, (something other claims firms are hanging on to for months and months after!) We have managed to log 140 court cases over 2 days in London Central Courts for 3 week's time. The results of these cases will be fully published –win or lose!
It has only taken us 12 weeks or less in some cases, of the clients coming through the doors to get to this stage, something that other claims companies talk about but very rarely can we get any evidence of it actually happening. As David has stated on many occasions there is no need to hide behind secrecy everything we do must be open, transparent and above board for all to see.
We are now holding a Training Day for representatives looking to introduce new clients to us.
This training day will be held on Saturday the 14th of November 2008 at 10:30am to about 2pm at
Century 21
80-82 Church Street
Stoke-on-Trent
Staffordshire
ST4 1BS.
If you are considering or wish to introduce new clients or rescue existing clients from failed CMC’s with us, please confirm by e-mail that you wish to attend.
Please also ensure that you complete the necessary forms attached and send them to us directly in advance of the training day.
If you wish to discuss this further, please feel free to contact David Jack on 01782 844844, mobile 07504007859 or at info@century21financeclaims.co.uk.
Kind regards,
Kind regards,
Jennifer Dear
Administrator
Century 21Jennifer Dear
Administrator
80-82 Church Street
Stoke-on-Trent
Staffordshire
ST4 1BS
Century 21 Finance Claims Ltd.
Commission Schedule for C21 reps
The following commissions will be payable in accordance with the Rolling Sales Agreement and may be amended from time to time:
For the sale of a Mortgage or Secured Loan or Previously Repossessed Unwind, Century 21 Finance Claims Limited product @ £495 (inclusive of vat) the representative shall be paid £200.00
For the sale of a Car Finance, Personal Unsecured Loan, Century 21 Finance Claims Limited product @ £199 (inclusive of vat) the representative shall be paid £99.00
For the sale of a Credit Card, Century 21 Finance Claims Limited product @ £199 and £250(inclusive of vat) the representative shall be paid £99.00
Where a Representative sells a product for a partial initial fee (i.e. not £495) (Requires the written consent of Century 21 Finance Claims Limited) the Representative will be paid at the same percentage i.e. 40%.
Example - £200 as a percentage of £495 = 40%
Partial Initial Fee of £199 = 40% = £80.00
The balance between the partial initial fee and the product fee of £495.00 is payable when the claim is successful (in addition to any success fee). The balance of the commission will be payable to the Representative upon receipt of these cleared funds.
Where a Representative sells a product where the initial fee is deferred
(Requires the written consent of Century 21 Finance Claims Limited) the Representatives commission will be paid when the claim is successful and the cleared funds have been received by Century 21 Finance Claims Limited
All commissions will be payable on the first of each month. The Representative’s sales will be calculated up to the 25th of the preceding month.
It should be noted that the above commissions:
Shall only become payable on receipt of cleared funds from the customer.
Shall have VAT added where applicable
DO YOU NEED GENUINE ADDITIONAL INCOME?
Do you want to restore your reputation and help your clients?
Ethical Claims Management – The Truth
You will be aware, no doubt, of many claims management companies both large and small who claim to have processed many successful claims for their, or evens your, clients. You will also be aware that this is simply not true in many cases. There is a good reason for this; they neither have the legal ‘back end in place’ nor the necessary funding and After The Event insurance. Many have no legal output through solicitors or are struggling to identify competent auditors.
Century 21 Finance Claims Ltd have all the processes in place for Claims Management Companies and our own representatives alike. In addition we also offer a ‘rescue’ package for both clients and existing representatives. http://www.century21financeclaims.co...ims/rescue.htm
Unlike other companies, all of our processes can be evidenced and shown, there are no secret legal processes or ‘unique’ legal processes or arguments – everything is transparent and clear from day one.
Most importantly, there is no charge to join us. We are that confident of the success of our process we don’t need to charge massive up front fees or introducers fees. http://www.century21financeclaims.co...join%20us.html
We have held successful seminars and had an excellent ‘take-up’ of our products and services. Many reps and introducers have now joined us to rescue their clients and restore their reputations as well as a number of Claims Management Companies now submitting their legal processing through us.
Most importantly, your clients only pay an audit fee – no ridiculous 30% back end fees or ‘client success fees’. You, however, will be sure of getting both your front end commissions and your back end success fees through the legal processes we have tailored.
If you would like to hear how to rescue your clients and yourself, as well as learning the process for new business, then please visit our website http://www.century21financeclaims.co.uk/index.htm reply to this e-mail, or contact us on 01782 844844.
We look forward to hearing from you.
CENTURY 21 FINANCE CLAIMS LTD
80-82 Church Street
Stoke-on-Trent
ST4 1BS
Telephone: 01782 844844
Fax: 01782 846818
Web: http://www.century21financeclaims.co.uk
Email: info@century21financeclaims.co.uk
Ethical Claims Management – The Truth
You will be aware, no doubt, of many claims management companies both large and small who claim to have processed many successful claims for their, or evens your, clients. You will also be aware that this is simply not true in many cases. There is a good reason for this; they neither have the legal ‘back end in place’ nor the necessary funding and After The Event insurance. Many have no legal output through solicitors or are struggling to identify competent auditors.
Century 21 Finance Claims Ltd have all the processes in place for Claims Management Companies and our own representatives alike. In addition we also offer a ‘rescue’ package for both clients and existing representatives. http://www.century21financeclaims.co...ims/rescue.htm
Unlike other companies, all of our processes can be evidenced and shown, there are no secret legal processes or ‘unique’ legal processes or arguments – everything is transparent and clear from day one.
Most importantly, there is no charge to join us. We are that confident of the success of our process we don’t need to charge massive up front fees or introducers fees. http://www.century21financeclaims.co...join%20us.html
We have held successful seminars and had an excellent ‘take-up’ of our products and services. Many reps and introducers have now joined us to rescue their clients and restore their reputations as well as a number of Claims Management Companies now submitting their legal processing through us.
Most importantly, your clients only pay an audit fee – no ridiculous 30% back end fees or ‘client success fees’. You, however, will be sure of getting both your front end commissions and your back end success fees through the legal processes we have tailored.
If you would like to hear how to rescue your clients and yourself, as well as learning the process for new business, then please visit our website http://www.century21financeclaims.co.uk/index.htm reply to this e-mail, or contact us on 01782 844844.
We look forward to hearing from you.
CENTURY 21 FINANCE CLAIMS LTD
80-82 Church Street
Stoke-on-Trent
ST4 1BS
Telephone: 01782 844844
Fax: 01782 846818
Web: http://www.century21financeclaims.co.uk
Email: info@century21financeclaims.co.uk
