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    Hi! I am greatful for any opinion, advice and account of a similar experience to the one I have with 1st Credit. I am also indebted to anyone who is taking time to read about my trouble at the moment. Thank you!

    I defaulted on payments on my Barclaycard in... 2003. I think the debt was £2500, but I'm actually not sure. Barclaycard sent Credit Solutions to chase the debt. I had a traumatising experience of their telephone conduct (where by they literally shouted at me, threatened with physical breaking in and changed reps at trying increasingly harder approaches to dealing with me). They asked for the monthly sums which were ridiculous for me (£50 at least, I think) and which, of course, I would have paid to Barclaycard if I could. My line of defence at the time was that, if they couldn't accept a significantly lower sum, they were welcome to send me to court. I don't think I knew what I was saying at the time, but I didn't know what else to say. The strange thing was that they didn't want to do that. We somehow settled with a sum of £7 a month for the start, which within a year or so gradually increased to £14 and I have been paying that ever since, until a few months ago.

    Because I was so traumatised by this experience (I sought counciling, had sleepless nights, would burst into sweat and shaking at the thought of it), I never answered an anonymous phone call or one that I suspected was this debt agent, since. Everything happenned in writing, but there has been so much of it, that, in my last clearance, I got rid of a large chunk; and left only the relatively recent correspondence.

    The debt was passed on to Connought before 2005, I think. This 'Connought' would, at times, manifest as 1st Credit Solutions; and then Connought again - highly confusing, but, as my conscience was clear by now, that I was paying more than I could afford by anyone's estimate, I only glanced at their letters and ignored most of the threats and gimmicks (I quickly figured that they were the same company). They have since then threatened with court numerous times. They'd adopt a hard line of a few phone calls a day and weekly letters, for a period of time; and then give it a rest; and then start again. They offered to accept half the required sum and close the account, many times. All the while, I never engaged with them, I just started sending checks to the new company and address, once I was informed that the debt was passed over to them.

    In 2013, the debt was Assigned to them. I was informed of this in writing by them and Barclaycard, but not by recorded delivery. I don't know whether the Assignment is Absolute or Legal. My reality didn't change. I still carried on paying, they still carried on writing, calling, threatening legal action and making offers.

    A few months ago, I wrote them a letter, informing them that I would have to stop with payments for a while. My financial circumstances worsened and the burden was too heavy. I emphasised that I had no employer, no assets and no property, all of which is true; and that I would contact them when I'm able to restart a payment plan or make an offer of payment. They acknowledged the letter, gave me about a month break and then started the demands again.

    The last I have is that I owe close to £2200 and that my 'account has been passed to 1st Credit's Legal Department'. Apparently, their 'Credit Bureau information' suggests that I have means to pay and, if I don't respond in 10 days, my account will be passed to the solicitors, 'with the intention of issuing' me with a ''letter before claim''.

    Now, my credit score was bad for a long time, but I think it has improved in the last few years. It would be nice to keep it that way, so I don't feel as indifferent about a CCJ now as I did over a decade ago. Any estimates out there as to where this could go next or ideas on a balanced negotiation move?

    All thoughts much appreciated and appologies for such a long post, but I thought I'd lay out the facts straight away, to save time on filling the gaps.
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    Re: 1st Credit Solutions or Connought Agency

    Ist Credit and Connought collections are the same company

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      Re: 1st Credit Solutions or Connought Agency

      Originally posted by ClassWarrior View Post
      I defaulted on payments on my Barclaycard in... 2003. I think the debt was £2500, but I'm actually not sure. Barclaycard sent Credit Solutions to chase the debt. I had a traumatising experience of their telephone conduct (where by they literally shouted at me, threatened with physical breaking in and changed reps at trying increasingly harder approaches to dealing with me). They asked for the monthly sums which were ridiculous for me (£50 at least, I think) and which, of course, I would have paid to Barclaycard if I could. My line of defence at the time was that, if they couldn't accept a significantly lower sum, they were welcome to send me to court. I don't think I knew what I was saying at the time, but I didn't know what else to say. The strange thing was that they didn't want to do that. We somehow settled with a sum of £7 a month for the start, which within a year or so gradually increased to £14 and I have been paying that ever since, until a few months ago.

      Because I was so traumatised by this experience (I sought counciling, had sleepless nights, would burst into sweat and shaking at the thought of it), I never answered an anonymous phone call or one that I suspected was this debt agent, since. Everything happenned in writing, but there has been so much of it, that, in my last clearance, I got rid of a large chunk; and left only the relatively recent correspondence.

      The debt was passed on to Connought before 2005, I think. This 'Connought' would, at times, manifest as 1st Credit Solutions; and then Connought again - highly confusing, but, as my conscience was clear by now, that I was paying more than I could afford by anyone's estimate, I only glanced at their letters and ignored most of the threats and gimmicks (I quickly figured that they were the same company).
      Connaught and 1st Crud are one and the same. :tea:
      Originally posted by ClassWarrior View Post
      They have since then threatened with court numerous times. They'd adopt a hard line of a few phone calls a day and weekly letters, for a period of time; and then give it a rest; and then start again. They offered to accept half the required sum and close the account, many times. All the while, I never engaged with them, I just started sending checks to the new company and address, once I was informed that the debt was passed over to them.

      In 2013, the debt was Assigned to them. I was informed of this in writing by them and Barclaycard, but not by recorded delivery. I don't know whether the Assignment is Absolute or Legal. My reality didn't change. I still carried on paying, they still carried on writing, calling, threatening legal action and making offers.
      Who was the debt assigned to in 2013? I thought you said it had been with the clowns since 2005. 1st Crud specialise in buying defaulted accounts so it would be an absolute assignment and nothing illegal about it.
      Originally posted by ClassWarrior View Post
      A few months ago, I wrote them a letter, informing them that I would have to stop with payments for a while. My financial circumstances worsened and the burden was too heavy. I emphasised that I had no employer, no assets and no property, all of which is true; and that I would contact them when I'm able to restart a payment plan or make an offer of payment. They acknowledged the letter, gave me about a month break and then started the demands again.

      The last I have is that I owe close to £2200 and that my 'account has been passed to 1st Credit's Legal Department'. Apparently, their 'Credit Bureau information' suggests that I have means to pay and, if I don't respond in 10 days, my account will be passed to the solicitors, 'with the intention of issuing' me with a ''letter before claim''.
      That's just a generic threat-o-gram, they may have the intention of passing it to solicitors who may have the intention of issuing a letter of claim... :blah: :blah: :blah:
      Originally posted by ClassWarrior View Post
      Now, my credit score was bad for a long time, but I think it has improved in the last few years. It would be nice to keep it that way, so I don't feel as indifferent about a CCJ now as I did over a decade ago. Any estimates out there as to where this could go next or ideas on a balanced negotiation move?

      All thoughts much appreciated and appologies for such a long post, but I thought I'd lay out the facts straight away, to save time on filling the gaps.
      I'd hit them with a CCA request. They'd have to go back to Barclays for a copy of the agreement and Barclays will be in no hurry to dig it up, the account is over 12 years old and was assigned 10 years ago, their chances of finding anything are a bit slim. :flypig: Furthermore, Barclays are notoriously bad when it comes to finding agreements. :grin:

      Send the CCA request to 1st Crud by recorded delivery with a PO for £1. Once you've done that, should they contact you again, you can just refer them to your unfulfilled request. :thumb:

      You'll find the CCA request letter here, I'd send the second, more in depth version: http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...y-of-Agreement

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        Re: 1st Credit Solutions or Connought Agency

        Thanks Flaming Parrot,
        The debt has been with 1st Credit since 2005, but as with a Barclaycard rep / agent. Later on, 2013, they informed me that they now, actually, owned it.
        When I wrote Absolute or Legal, I meant Absolute or Equitable (as in, money and duties or just money).
        However, none of that seems to matter at the moment. It's a relief that someone else sees it as a threat-o-gram I like your turn of phrase I needed the confirmation, because, for the first time, I am not paying anything.
        I thought you might suggest CCA, so I'll go ahead and start on that.
        Thanks very much!

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          Re: 1st Credit Solutions or Connought Agency

          Originally posted by ClassWarrior View Post
          Thanks Flaming Parrot,
          The debt has been with 1st Credit since 2005, but as with a Barclaycard rep / agent. Later on, 2013, they informed me that they now, actually, owned it.
          When I wrote Absolute or Legal, I meant Absolute or Equitable (as in, money and duties or just money).
          Ah, yes that makes sense.
          Originally posted by ClassWarrior View Post
          However, none of that seems to matter at the moment. It's a relief that someone else sees it as a threat-o-gram I like your turn of phrase
          In my time I've seen a lot of threat-o-grams as well as letters of claim. When people say they *may* *consider* *referring to*, it's a standard threat-o-gram. They all love to say what they *could* do *IF* they got a CCJ (attachments of earnings, charging orders, bailiffs, etc.). A letter of claim will usually be issued by a firm of solicitors. Even when you receive one of those, they often take a hike when you respond in accordance with the pre-action conduct and throw in a CCA request as well. :grin:
          Originally posted by ClassWarrior View Post
          I needed the confirmation, because, for the first time, I am not paying anything.
          I thought you might suggest CCA, so I'll go ahead and start on that.
          Thanks very much!
          The CCA request is a useful tool because they are meant to respond in 12+2 working days but debt purchasers like 1st Crud are never able to do so because they have to rely on the bank to supply the documents, and as soon as their time is up, the account becomes unenforceable for as long as they fail to comply. :thumb:

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            Re: 1st Credit Solutions or Connought Agency

            Thanks so much for this, FlamingParrot; and sorry for the slow uptake - a succession of children's Birthday Parties...

            Just for the update, I sent my CCA request recorded delivery about 10 days ago and have not heard from them since / yet.

            Interestingly, the day before, I had received a letter from their 'Collections Director', with an enclosed 'periodic statement' for the last 3 months of 2014. I had never asked for this and it seems random. They are 'using that opportunity' to ask me to get in touch and discuss my account with them, including if I'm experiencing financial difficulties.

            In a way I feel lucky that I'm too busy with the family life these days, to think about what this means. It just feels like.... what? - whatever.

            But there it is - as most of their communication over the years, it's bearing no consequences

            Thanks for your support and sorry I couldn't reply earlier!

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            • #7
              Re: 1st Credit Solutions or Connought Agency

              No worries. Good to hear you are keeping busy with more important things (although what can be more important than 1st Crud? :lol

              It doesn't look like any of the above is of much significance. Once the 12+2 working days are up, if you have any further demands from them, you can just refer them to your as yet unfulfilled CCA request.

              Do keep us posted if you hear anything further from them. :typing:

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              • #8
                Re: 1st Credit Solutions or Connought Agency

                Sweet
                I love your emoticons. I ususally either can't find them or find too many, so my emotions have a narrow range in writing.

                I actually got a letter from 1st Cred today, acknowledging my request, confirming that they have requested the info from the OC and that 'In the interim the matter will be placed on hold.'

                Ah, they know the game, they know I know it; and now I know that they know that I know.
                The only thing is a slightly nagging sense that they might be ahead of it. The letter is so uncharacteristically co-operative, that I'm half-expecting a full CCA in a couple of days :/

                Watch this space (unless you have a Birthday Party to attend to

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