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  • #76
    Re: Why is he saying this? - Please help

    Here is a BBC article on Claims management Companies - misleading the consumers:-


    Debt adverts misleading, says ASA

    A debt management company has been told not to publish misleading adverts about the chances of people being able to write off their debts.
    The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) said an ad from the website Loan-Free was misleading.
    It had suggested that credit card and bank debts agreed before April 2007 might not need to be repaid.
    But the ASA said the company and its solicitors had failed to provide sufficient evidence to back this up.
    The advert in question, published in regional newspapers, had stated: "If your credit card or loan was taken out before April 2007 it could be completely unenforceable and will not need to be repaid.
    "Our solicitors can use government legislation to arrange for your outstanding balances to be written off and claim compensation for you."
    The ASA decided this "was likely to mislead readers as to the likelihood of their debts being written off".
    Warnings
    The past year has seen a boom in the number of claims management companies trying to encourage people to challenge the legality of loan agreements which had struck before April 2007, under the old provisions of the 1974 Consumer Credit Act.
    They argue that if lenders cannot prove they have stuck to the strict paperwork requirements of the 1974 law, then the debts cannot be enforced.
    Firms trying to attract this sort of business have recently been warned by the Ministry of Justice, the Office of Fair Trading and the solicitors' regulatory authority not to exaggerate the chances of success.
    Loan-Free, run by a business called Debt Free UK, denied its advert contained any exaggeration.
    It said its advert did not promise that all debts could necessarily be written off.
    The firm told the ASA that 76% of the credit card agreements, and 85% of the loan agreements, they had passed to their solicitors had breached the terms of the consumer credit act to the point where they were legally unenforceable.
    However, the firm's solicitors refused to back this up to the satisfaction of the ASA.
    Arguing that supplying the figures would be a breach of their obligation to maintain their clients' confidentiality, they said only that "they had successfully challenged numerous credit agreements, with balances written off and clients' credit ratings restored". Debt Free UK was also criticised by the ASA for not making it clear in its advert that customers might have to pay fees to both the company and its solicitors.

    Story from BBC NEWS:
    BBC NEWS | Business | Debt adverts misleading, says ASA

    Published: 2009/06/17 11:14:37 GMT

    © BBC MMIX

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    • #77
      Re: Why is he saying this? - Please help

      The article above also helps answer your original question on here which was...............

      http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/rec...off-your-debts

      I'm keen to start proceedings with my Credit Card company, however I found this article and wondered why is he saying some of the stuff in it. Is he right? Is he on the side of Credit Card company's? I've done a fair bit of research and this has thrown me out a bit.

      Apologies if it has been covered before.

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      • #78
        Re: Why is he saying this? - Please help

        Originally posted by enaid View Post
        The article above also helps answer your original question on here which was...............

        http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/rec...off-your-debts

        I'm keen to start proceedings with my Credit Card company, however I found this article and wondered why is he saying some of the stuff in it. Is he right? Is he on the side of Credit Card company's? I've done a fair bit of research and this has thrown me out a bit.

        Apologies if it has been covered before.
        Still as clear as mud then from my original post.

        Anyway I wanted to ask these questions after getting a much better idea from posters: If you haven't got any defaults on your Credit Card Account. Is it advisable to not go down this route if you don't want any in the future? Also if they can apply defaults when you stop paying due to an unenforceable agreement, can you remove them easily? Or can they even apply defaults when the account is put into dispute?

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        • #79
          Re: Why is he saying this? - Please help

          What could happen and what should happen are two entirely different things.

          By Law:
          While in dispute no further action of any type should be taken.
          An unenforceable agreement means just that. They CANNOT take any enforcement action at all, this includes adding defaults to your CRA record.

          What does happen:
          While they don't take court action themselves there is a tendency of filing defaults AND selling the debt on to various DCA's.

          How easy is it to get a default removed:
          Honestly, this is quite a difficult process, especially as it can only be removed by the original Creditor. The only real sure fire method is court action, BUT you must be 100% clear on your case law, etc for this to be successful.

          So all in all. While unenforceability of agreements does seem like a panacea, it opens up a whole other can of worms. The fact the agreements are lacking essential information to comply with CCA doesn't stop a number of DCA's filing court action in an attempt to recover the debt !!!

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          • #80
            Re: Why is he saying this? - Please help

            Originally posted by Curlyben View Post
            What could happen and what should happen are two entirely different things.

            By Law:
            While in dispute no further action of any type should be taken.
            An unenforceable agreement means just that. They CANNOT take any enforcement action at all, this includes adding defaults to your CRA record.

            What does happen:
            While they don't take court action themselves there is a tendency of filing defaults AND selling the debt on to various DCA's.

            How easy is it to get a default removed:
            Honestly, this is quite a difficult process, especially as it can only be removed by the original Creditor. The only real sure fire method is court action, BUT you must be 100% clear on your case law, etc for this to be successful.

            So all in all. While unenforceability of agreements does seem like a panacea, it opens up a whole other can of worms. The fact the agreements are lacking essential information to comply with CCA doesn't stop a number of DCA's filing court action in an attempt to recover the debt !!!
            Many thanks for that, seems to be a lot clearer now. Could you answer me this then please: How long via a Court process does it take for a default to be removed?

            Also could someone please give a run down of what exactly the abreviated intitials of words are, i.e. I understand what CCA (Credit Card Agreement) is but there are loads of others and whilst I'm sure its easy for the experienced folk it certainly isn't for new posters.

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            • #81
              Re: Why is he saying this? - Please help

              Originally posted by Fitz View Post
              Many thanks for that, seems to be a lot clearer now. Could you answer me this then please: How long via a Court process does it take for a default to be removed? How long is a piece of string ?? To even consider court action you MUST be very clear on the statute and case law you would be relying on !! This is NOT an enterprise for the hesitant or faint hearted..

              Also could someone please give a run down of what exactly the abreviated initials of words are, i.e. I understand what CCA (Credit Card Agreement) is but there are loads of others and whilst I'm sure its easy for the experienced folk it certainly isn't for new posters.
              CCA - Consumer Credit Act, normally 1974 version
              SI - Statutory Instrument, an official adjustment or clarification to a Law
              OC - Original Creditor
              DCA - Debt Collection Agency

              CPR - Civil procedure Rules
              POC - Particulars of Claim
              AoS - Acknowledgement of Service

              SAR - Subject Access request under the Data Protection Act
              DPA - Date Protection Act

              DMP - Debt Management program
              CMC - Claims Management company, normally used in a derogitory sense.

              Any others you are having issues with ?

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              • #82
                Re: Why is he saying this? - Please help

                A few more as well

                MoJ - Ministry of Justice (Think Mad Max)
                OFT - Office of Fair Trading
                ICO - Information commissioner's office
                FOS - Financial Ombudsman Service
                FSA - Financial Services Authority
                BBA - British Bankers Assoc. (Club for Bankers)
                CSA - Credit services Assoc. (Club for DCA's)
                RSB - The answer to the above clubs.

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                • #83
                  Re: Why is he saying this? - Please help

                  Originally posted by Fitz View Post
                  Ok thanks for that, I will be contacting FD tomorrow for sure.
                  Fitz

                  What happened when you phoned Forbes Douglas?

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