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    A realitve of mine had an Bankruptcy order made against her in Sep 2012 I only became aware of this after she recieved leters from the Land registry, I have no legal knoledge but I said I would help. I wrote to BW Legal and explained my relative was terminally ill, basically So What, I then applied for an annullment because of the illness, not accepted, next I contacted the Office of Fair Trading, they sent me full details of the the Limitation Act 1980, this covered our case. so I applied for on the grounds that it ought not to have been brought, and was successfull.

    By now B W Legal had added 3 more claims the Insolvency Service were no help whatsoever they just kept sending letters distressing my relative, I sent many letters to B W demandind accounts and statments, eventuall they dropped the extra 3 claims as over the 6 year limit, they only sent a part account sheet for Nov 2006 working on this it was possible to work out that the last payment was February 2006, making the claim over the Bankruptcy Order over the 6 year limatition period.

    I went to Court Jan 2013 for the first time was not sucessfull adjourned for further information by both parties, back in April I tried to be forcefull showing the account sheet with my simple calculations, the judge said she could not understand the sheet nevertheless I asked for the annullment, the judge said it is just not that simple, you dont understand, no I did not, she then made an order that I should submit medical proof of my relatives illness and unable to represent herself within 28 days, B W to provide statments back to November 2005 which should be filed and served within 35 days.

    A week before the next court apperance B W Legal sent us a letter stating, "our client is willing to consent to your application to annul the order dated Sep 2012 under Section 282(1)(a) insolvency Act 1986, The order ought not to have made. Our client is willing to your application on the basis of your on-going medical condition on this basis, our client will agree to the following;

    1;The Bankruptcy Order dated September 2012 is herb annulled under section 282(1)(a)the Insolvency Act 1986, 2: the Bankruptcy Petition issued June 2012 is hereby Dismissed,
    3;The registration of the petition as a pending action at the Land Charges Dept of HM Land Registry and of the Bankruptcy Order on the registry of Writs and Orders affecting land at the dept be vacated upon application made by the applicant; 4; The Petitioning Creditor to pay the Offical Receivers costs within 14 days of the Order being made; 5; No inter party costs;
    Accordingly we enclose a draft Consent Order for your approval, execution and return. we would appericate it if you would sign and return the attached Consent Order to us as soon as possible."
    Which of course we did not sign.


    I had sent in a form to the Court to the effect that I would be acting as a ligigtant friend,
    But when I went into Court the Judge said I was not to speak, I tried to explain my realitve suffered from

    (“Hepatic encephalopathy (also known as portosystemic encephalopathy) is the occurrence of confusion, altered level of consciousness, and coma as a result of liver failure. In the advanced stages it is called hepatic coma or coma hepaticum. It may ultimately lead to death.[1]

    But he would not allow me, he puffed out his chest and bellowed this was his court room and I should not talk, if he could he would make us pay all the costs, and went on to make an order with We recieved a CONSENT ORDER from the court, "By consent it is ordered that" excatly the same five conditions as laid down by B W Legal. at the bottom of the page "We hereby consent to an Order in the above terms" and a line for a signature
    which of course we have not signed.
    but sent a letter to the court rejecting these conditions requesting the order for B W Legal to submit statments as ordered by the judge and asking that annulment be dissmissed as requested in our application. we wait for a reply.
    Last edited by Celestine; 1st August 2013, 11:13:AM.
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    Re: Biased an Discriminatory

    This is gross misconduct. Get a specialist professional on this NOW.

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    • #3
      Re: Biased an Discriminatory

      Why on earth did you NOT consent to the Order BW Legal offered??

      You had won?

      No wonder the Judge was very cross.
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      • #4
        Re: Biased an Discriminatory

        Originally posted by freewill View Post



        A week before the next court apperance B W Legal sent us a letter stating, "our client is willing to consent to your application to annul the order dated Sep 2012 under Section 282(1)(a) insolvency Act 1986, The order ought not to have made. Our client is willing to your application on the basis of your on-going medical condition on this basis, our client will agree to the following;

        1;The Bankruptcy Order dated September 2012 is herb annulled under section 282(1)(a)the Insolvency Act 1986, 2: the Bankruptcy Petition issued June 2012 is hereby Dismissed,
        3;The registration of the petition as a pending action at the Land Charges Dept of HM Land Registry and of the Bankruptcy Order on the registry of Writs and Orders affecting land at the dept be vacated upon application made by the applicant; 4; The Petitioning Creditor to pay the Offical Receivers costs within 14 days of the Order being made; 5; No inter party costs;
        Accordingly we enclose a draft Consent Order for your approval, execution and return. we would appericate it if you would sign and return the attached Consent Order to us as soon as possible."
        Which of course we did not sign.

        .
        They offered to give you all what you wanted? and you refused?

        Im sorry but that is bonkers, you have a complete annulment there at the swift movement of a biro pen, i would have ripped their arm off and beat them with the soggy end

        Perhaps it may be worth seeing if the deal is still on the table
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        • #5
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          Originally posted by pt2537 View Post
          i would have ripped their arm off and beat them with the soggy end
          Would such a procedure be quite legal?

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          • #6
            Re: Biased an Discriminatory

            Hi all, apart from Border Collie it seems you have all missed the point yes I had proved to the court the case was statute barred The point being the previous judge ordered that B W Legal should file and serve accounts, but instead they sent in a consent form, I thought all orders by a judge must be carried out.
            then this judge banned me from speaking in the court and defending, i think illlegaly, he bellowed he would like to force us to pay B W Legals costs then banned me from claiming mine or anything for harassment also as this was "ought not to have been brought" then the Insolvency Service should have reveresed all actions, but no he instructed we deal with the Land Registry, and no inter party costs. I would like to appeal, whilst I have sent in a rejection letter of the terms of the consent form. I am not holding my breath, in my opinion he showed biased discrimination but what do I do ???

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            • #7
              Re: Biased an Discriminatory

              Yes I agree but who do I get the info from

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              • #8
                Re: Biased an Discriminatory

                the Judge was cross because I had won the question why ban me from speaking when I had medical evidence that my relative had memory problems, and stopped me from rejecting the unfair conditions laid down by B W Legal who should have had no input they could not prove their case

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                • #9
                  Re: Biased an Discriminatory

                  Originally posted by freewill View Post
                  Hi all, apart from Border Collie it seems you have all missed the point yes I had proved to the court the case was statute barred The point being the previous judge ordered that B W Legal should file and serve accounts, but instead they sent in a consent form, I thought all orders by a judge must be carried out.
                  then this judge banned me from speaking in the court and defending, i think illlegaly, he bellowed he would like to force us to pay B W Legals costs then banned me from claiming mine or anything for harassment also as this was "ought not to have been brought" then the Insolvency Service should have reveresed all actions, but no he instructed we deal with the Land Registry, and no inter party costs. I would like to appeal, whilst I have sent in a rejection letter of the terms of the consent form. I am not holding my breath, in my opinion he showed biased discrimination but what do I do ???
                  Barred you from speaking illegally? No, are you a solicitor on record or a barrister instructed direct access? if not, then you are nothing more than a mckenzie friend who can only address the Court with the Courts authority. That sadly is the legal position and you are not going to get anywhere with the illegallity argument.

                  The Courts order becomes an irrelevant point if the parties settle, and they offered settlement so id have advised you to take it.

                  Where would you be if you managed to prove limitation? the same position where you would have been if you had accepted the offer to settle.

                  An appeal would be the last thing i would advise if you were a client walking through my office door.

                  Im my professional opinion you have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
                  I work for Roach Pittis Solicitors. I give my free time available to helping other on the forum and would be happy to try and assist informally where needed. Any posts I make on LegalBeagles are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as legal advice. Any advice I provide is without liability.

                  If you need to contact me please email me on Pt@roachpittis.co.uk .

                  I have been involved in leading consumer credit and data protection cases including Harrison v Link Financial Limited (High Court), Grace v Blackhorse (Court of Appeal) and also Kotecha v Phoenix Recoveries (Court of Appeal) along with a number of other reported cases and often blog about all things consumer law orientated.

                  You can also follow my blog on consumer credit here.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Biased an Discriminatory

                    Freewill
                    It seems that stubbornness is being your undoing. Ok so the judge ordered BWL to provide statements, instead they caved in and offered to stop everything. You refused and went back to court , what did you want to achieve?
                    As PT and Cel said you had won, why oh why carry on. I can see why the judge was a tad angry, you were in my opinion wasting the courts time, your time and BWL's time.
                    BTW maybe look at PT's and Cels qualifications...they know what they are talking about

                    Oh and cloggy was being cloggy and saying that ripping an arm off is not quite legal

                    What were the unfair conditions?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Biased an Discriminatory

                      My qualifications

                      Diploma in English Law of the Open University, Certificate in Legal Studies of the Open Uni, Certificate in Maths and Computing of the Open University.

                      Chartered institute of Legal Executives qualifications in Contract,Tort, Criminal, Land Law,Civil Litigation including insolvency , Legal research

                      So yeah have a few not to mention the cases in High Court and Court of Appeal ive been successful in.
                      I work for Roach Pittis Solicitors. I give my free time available to helping other on the forum and would be happy to try and assist informally where needed. Any posts I make on LegalBeagles are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as legal advice. Any advice I provide is without liability.

                      If you need to contact me please email me on Pt@roachpittis.co.uk .

                      I have been involved in leading consumer credit and data protection cases including Harrison v Link Financial Limited (High Court), Grace v Blackhorse (Court of Appeal) and also Kotecha v Phoenix Recoveries (Court of Appeal) along with a number of other reported cases and often blog about all things consumer law orientated.

                      You can also follow my blog on consumer credit here.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Biased an Discriminatory

                        I had applied to be a litigent friend and had been to court twice before and defended as such. my relative suffered "(“Hepatic encephalopathy (also known as portosystemic encephalopathy) is the occurrence of confusion, altered level of consciousness, and coma as a result of liver failure. In the advanced stages it is called hepatic coma or coma hepaticum. It may ultimately lead to death.[1]
                        therefore the judge should have recognised that illness. I think I am not explaining this clearly enough This was the third time I had been to court defending I had proved B W Legal's claim was statute barred on in the previous court, this judge had would himself up before I went into court he was red faced and began shouting directly I tried to speak I had not given him any reason and I do feel that I should be entitled to my costs and expenses I had also sent in form 1n 434. to act as a litigant friend this had been accpted by the two previous judges.
                        T

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                        • #13
                          Re: Biased an Discriminatory

                          On this case
                          1) What were your reasonable costs?
                          2) What were the unfair terms?
                          3) Did you try to negotiate with BWL about costs or just refuse to sign the form and wait for the next court appearance?

                          It seems that if you had accepted their offer they would have been greatly out of pocket (how sad) and your relative would have been free of this debt

                          Sometimes you can not fight the system you have to accept the best available outcome

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                          • #14
                            Re: Biased an Discriminatory

                            Originally posted by freewill View Post
                            I had applied to be a litigent friend and had been to court twice before and defended as such. my relative suffered "(“Hepatic encephalopathy (also known as portosystemic encephalopathy) is the occurrence of confusion, altered level of consciousness, and coma as a result of liver failure. In the advanced stages it is called hepatic coma or coma hepaticum. It may ultimately lead to death.[1]
                            therefore the judge should have recognised that illness. I think I am not explaining this clearly enough This was the third time I had been to court defending I had proved B W Legal's claim was statute barred on in the previous court, this judge had would himself up before I went into court he was red faced and began shouting directly I tried to speak I had not given him any reason and I do feel that I should be entitled to my costs and expenses I had also sent in form 1n 434. to act as a litigant friend this had been accpted by the two previous judges.
                            T

                            any costs would be paid by your family member, they would then recover them from the opponent under the indemnity principle IF they won. Plainly in my opinion, anyone acting in such circumstances has a duty of care to act in the persons best interests. I cannot say that you have done this.

                            You are explaining things clearly enough, i am just disagreeing with your view.

                            Whether or not you had been before a judge three times or three hundred times previous, at this hearing the Judge refused you the right of audience as he was entitled to do so.

                            Have you read the recent release by the senior Judiciary on acting as a mckenzie friend? i believe it was written by Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge among others. In this guidance it makes it clear the Courts should be slow to grant rights of audience and should only do so in the right circumstances.
                            I work for Roach Pittis Solicitors. I give my free time available to helping other on the forum and would be happy to try and assist informally where needed. Any posts I make on LegalBeagles are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as legal advice. Any advice I provide is without liability.

                            If you need to contact me please email me on Pt@roachpittis.co.uk .

                            I have been involved in leading consumer credit and data protection cases including Harrison v Link Financial Limited (High Court), Grace v Blackhorse (Court of Appeal) and also Kotecha v Phoenix Recoveries (Court of Appeal) along with a number of other reported cases and often blog about all things consumer law orientated.

                            You can also follow my blog on consumer credit here.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Biased an Discriminatory

                              Originally posted by jon1965 View Post
                              It seems that if you had accepted their offer they would have been greatly out of pocket (how sad) and your relative would have been free of this debt

                              Sometimes you can not fight the system you have to accept the best available outcome
                              Bang on the button Jon.

                              I couldnt agree more, some people just cant see it and want Justice as they see it no matter what the cost.

                              As i said previous, where would you be if you accept their offer? answer? the same place had you won in Court but with less risk

                              Thats the reality of this matter
                              I work for Roach Pittis Solicitors. I give my free time available to helping other on the forum and would be happy to try and assist informally where needed. Any posts I make on LegalBeagles are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as legal advice. Any advice I provide is without liability.

                              If you need to contact me please email me on Pt@roachpittis.co.uk .

                              I have been involved in leading consumer credit and data protection cases including Harrison v Link Financial Limited (High Court), Grace v Blackhorse (Court of Appeal) and also Kotecha v Phoenix Recoveries (Court of Appeal) along with a number of other reported cases and often blog about all things consumer law orientated.

                              You can also follow my blog on consumer credit here.

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