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  • muggins73 v Halifax

    Just an initial hello to everyone of my fellow Halifaxions

    I embarked on my new claim against Halifax back in January, following two successions against Natwest.

    I opted to go beyond the 6 year limitation with 11 years worth of charges amounting to little over 2k and on 07th July my claim was deemed served.

    I received Halifaxs' poor excuse for a defence (which was frankly, laughable) which was filed on 27 July and after completing my AQ I received a letter from Bournemouth cc dated 31-August advising me that DJ Hurley has ordered that my claim be stayed forthwith pending the final determination of the OFT test case (including any appeal):devil:

    I am in the process of filing an Application Notice objecting to the stay but am having problems setting out the grounds in order to have it lifted.

    Unfortunately, it appears that in order to sway the judge I will need to convince him/her (in the most part) that not to do so would cause me a great deal of financial hardship. This is where the problem lies and is why a majority of the templates I've managed to source does not apply. Although my partner and I are indeed having financial difficulty my account with Halifax was closed back in September 2004. Due to my former claims against Natwest I opened new accounts with abbey, whom I bank with to date and is where all our benefits get paid into. I am concerned that due to this, the DJ will view that our financial hardship has no bearing on this particular claim.

    It doesn't end there, oh no. Just received a letter this morning from Halifax Customer Relations dept advising me that their 'goodwill offer' of 237.13 still stands it reads...
    'Dear muggins73,
    Your case in relation to bank charges is currently pending before the court.
    We wrote to you recently to make you a goodwill offer as full and final settlement..blah, blah, blah,,,,,that you can accept or reject this offer. If you decide to reject this offer and await the outcome of the legal proceedings with the OFT you will need to return the money which we have already paid to you. We will reconsider your complaint once the test case is resolved'.

    I wrote to them on 27-July stating that I'd accept the sum offered as part settlement only and on the clear understanding that I will be continuing with my claim until the full amount has been paid. I also sent a copy of the same to their solicitors advising them that 'the Account' has been closed since September 2004. It truely is like :argh:!!!!!!!

    Their idiotic behaviour only feeds my desire to fight have the stay lifted. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated? I've got 28 days.
    muggins73:crazy:

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    Re: muggins73 v Halifax

    Hello again M,
    Before you changed accounts to the Abbey, did you have your benefits paid in to the Halifax at any time during your claim period!

    On my Abbey, I have worked out percentages of benefits/charges against earned income and in some months Abbey took more than half of my benefits. There is of course no way of proving which money paid what but I will have a jolly good go at trying to get Abbey to settle on the basis that they have taken my benefits (partially).

    Speak with you very soon.
    Regards
    DSxxxx

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    • #3
      Re: muggins73 v Halifax

      Hiya Tutts,
      In response to the above...yes, I guess they were.

      But its gonna take some hefty brain work to reword the template to suit my cause. Which, due to the fact that my dog passing away is still so raw, I'm really not up to it.
      muggins73:crazy:

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      • #4
        Re: muggins73 v Halifax

        Originally posted by muggins73 View Post
        Just an initial hello to everyone of my fellow Halifaxions

        I embarked on my new claim against Halifax back in January, following two successions against Natwest.

        I opted to go beyond the 6 year limitation with 11 years worth of charges amounting to little over 2k and on 07th July my claim was deemed served.

        I received Halifaxs' poor excuse for a defence (which was frankly, laughable) which was filed on 27 July and after completing my AQ I received a letter from Bournemouth cc dated 31-August advising me that DJ Hurley has ordered that my claim be stayed forthwith pending the final determination of the OFT test case (including any appeal):devil:

        I am in the process of filing an Application Notice objecting to the stay but am having problems setting out the grounds in order to have it lifted.

        Unfortunately, it appears that in order to sway the judge I will need to convince him/her (in the most part) that not to do so would cause me a great deal of financial hardship. This is where the problem lies and is why a majority of the templates I've managed to source does not apply. Although my partner and I are indeed having financial difficulty my account with Halifax was closed back in September 2004. Due to my former claims against Natwest I opened new accounts with abbey, whom I bank with to date and is where all our benefits get paid into. I am concerned that due to this, the DJ will view that our financial hardship has no bearing on this particular claim.

        It doesn't end there, oh no. Just received a letter this morning from Halifax Customer Relations dept advising me that their 'goodwill offer' of 237.13 still stands it reads...
        'Dear muggins73,
        Your case in relation to bank charges is currently pending before the court.
        We wrote to you recently to make you a goodwill offer as full and final settlement..blah, blah, blah,,,,,that you can accept or reject this offer. If you decide to reject this offer and await the outcome of the legal proceedings with the OFT you will need to return the money which we have already paid to you. We will reconsider your complaint once the test case is resolved'.

        I wrote to them on 27-July stating that I'd accept the sum offered as part settlement only and on the clear understanding that I will be continuing with my claim until the full amount has been paid. I also sent a copy of the same to their solicitors advising them that 'the Account' has been closed since September 2004. It truely is like :argh:!!!!!!!

        Their idiotic behaviour only feeds my desire to fight have the stay lifted. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated? I've got 28 days.
        Anyone out there?
        muggins73:crazy:

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        • #5
          Re: muggins73 v Halifax

          Hey muggins

          We can work on a stay lift application along the same lines as the one tempty used. The hardship is overall and doesnt need relate to that particular bank. We 'll have to get a better overall view of things.

          Have a look at the letter we used in temptys claim - natwest - and if you give us more info of income and debts u have etc (by pm if u prefer) we will be able to amend that to suit your circumstances. We'll also add in more info regarding the handling of your claim so far by the bank.

          Hope that helps a bit hun

          Ame
          xx
          #staysafestayhome

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          • #6
            Re: muggins73 v Halifax

            Oh and re returning the money already paid - rubbish - if you can scan that letter and send it to me that would be great. amethyst@legalbeagles.info.
            #staysafestayhome

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            • #7
              Re: muggins73 v Halifax

              Originally posted by Amethyst View Post
              Hey muggins

              We can work on a stay lift application along the same lines as the one tempty used. The hardship is overall and doesnt need relate to that particular bank. We 'll have to get a better overall view of things.

              Have a look at the letter we used in temptys claim - natwest - and if you give us more info of income and debts u have etc (by pm if u prefer) we will be able to amend that to suit your circumstances. We'll also add in more info regarding the handling of your claim so far by the bank.

              Hope that helps a bit hun

              Ame
              xx
              Originally posted by Amethyst View Post
              Oh and re returning the money already paid - rubbish - if you can scan that letter and send it to me that would be great. amethyst@legalbeagles.info.
              What can I say...you are a schollar and a saint to boot
              Will get on and do as you've suggested sometime today. Probably around midnight once the kids are all truely asleep:crazy: In the meantime, I'll have a look at temptys letter and let you know my thoughts along with the rest of the info.

              Ta very much. I told kafka you were thouroughly missed OTR and this only strengthens my point:kiss:
              muggins73:crazy:

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              • #8
                Re: muggins73 v Halifax

                xxxx
                Last edited by muggins73; 11th September 2007, 08:58:AM. Reason: dbl post, computer mucking about again sos!!!
                muggins73:crazy:

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                • #9
                  Re: muggins73 v Halifax

                  awwwwwwwwwwww shuddup ! you make me cry next lol.

                  Look forward to getting more info off ya and we'll get this appl sorted for you.

                  no promises mind but has to be worth a good shot doesnt it.
                  #staysafestayhome

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                  • #10
                    Re: muggins73 v Halifax

                    actually hun, I'll pm you one that we'll adapt - if you can have a look and give us the info (by pm) needed to personalise it to you - might need a bit of changing to suit your circumstances as it is quite personal.

                    so check your pm's.
                    #staysafestayhome

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                    • #11
                      Re: muggins73 v Halifax

                      Have just pm'd ya, and am in the process of sending you the latest letter received by Halifax Customer relations.

                      I bet I'll be able to hear you laugh all the way from here!!!!

                      Look forward to hearing your response.
                      muggins73:crazy:

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                      • #12
                        Re: muggins73 v Halifax

                        Thanks hun - have just uploaded all of that - and thanks for pm too. will get back to you later on once I have digested all the info.

                        #staysafestayhome

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                        • #13
                          Re: muggins73 v Halifax

                          Oak-ey-doe-key, ready when you are
                          muggins73:crazy:

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                          • #14
                            Re: muggins73 v Halifax

                            Thanks for pm additions - looks good - need to make a couple changes and get the cover letter sorted.

                            Its a starting point. I think because the account was closed so long ago and the benefits are paid else where and not being pillaged at the moment it gives us less chance of success. But I do still think it is worth applying.

                            Now claiming off abbey might be a different kettle as they are still removing charges from your benefits payments....we shall see


                            will pm u tmw.
                            #staysafestayhome

                            Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                            Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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                            • #15
                              Re: muggins73 v Halifax

                              Told ya it wouldn't be as plain sailing as we'd hoped for, but its worth a try. I'll be pretty annoyed if I dish out £35 and the OFT test case gets dropped, though!!!!!

                              As you've said, abbey is looking better.

                              Thanks for taking the time out.
                              muggins73:crazy:

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