Collectica

[bluebottle]

Re: Collectica

Sadly judging by this case, I don't think they pay any attention to H & S on enforcement, and will go in hard anyway. The bailiffs. the courts and in council tax cases, the council don't give a flying fsck (fsck Linux version of Windows Chkdsk) so long as they get their money. H & S only becomes an issue, if it turns out after a tragedy that there was a health issue that established vulnerability that was ignored that caused the debtor to either miscarry (in pregnancy cases) have a stroke or a heart attack, or suffer some other detriment as a direct result of the enforcement.

I wonder if a FOI into how many H & S Risk Assessments in vulnerable cases were carried out would be an option to HMCS, and councils?

H & S legislation is "catch all" in nature, BB. Also, there is a reversed onus where breaches are concerned. In practice, this means the defendant has to prove they complied with the statutory duties imposed upon them by the legislation. I suspect the vulnerable category where civil enforcement is concerned was formulated with the best of intent, but, like everything else, you will always have those who feel it doesn't apply to them and they ignore it or, worse, totally disregard it.

[Sir Vere Brayne d'Emmidge]

Re: Collectica

H & S legislation is "catch all" in nature, BB. Also, there is a reversed onus where breaches are concerned. In practice, this means the defendant has to prove they complied with the statutory duties imposed upon them by the legislation. I suspect the vulnerable category where civil enforcement is concerned was formulated with the best of intent, but, like everything else, you will always have those who feel it doesn't apply to them and they ignore it or, worse, totally disregard it.

National Standards are very clear:

1) If the defaulter is pregnant all enforcement action must seize until 28 days after the birth of the child.

2) If anyone in the defaulter household is pregnant then it's discretionary, but the advice is the same, suspend until after birth.

Collectica are at it again, ignoring good solid enforcement rules.

[CleverClogs]

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As for what midwives can do to the bailiff, if it involves a speculum, just thinking of it is making my eyes water.

That's nothing compared to what a vet could do...

Think about an equine speculum... msl:

[CleverClogs]

Re: Collectica

So as Op is obviously in the final trimester, only a typically bone-headed greedy bailiff would ignore the obvious vulnerability hopefully.

I've fixed your post for you. :grin:

[CleverClogs]

Re: Collectica

Collectica are at it again, ignoring good solid enforcement rules.

What else would one expect?

They're a Serco company...

[Inca]

Re: Collectica

Thanks to whoever clarified the pregnancy/28 day post partum info (am ill,,so thanks all of you xx)

Laura,,you absolutely MUST MUST MUST follow the Beagles advice re bailiff AND your health and that of your unborn child...no bloody debt is worth making you so stressed at this stage of pregnancy...it's blatantly obvious Bailiffs don't give a damn about abiding by their own guidelines and,,of course,,they LIE.
If I could have one wish it would be that your waters broke all over his feet,,,now that would make brilliant you-tube footage
My niece gave birth Sunday and her waters broke all over the stroppy midwife who was trying to convince her to go home..she had hours yet,,,,,,,,37 mins later out baby popped lol

So,,banter aside...do exactly what the Beagles say and it will get sorted xxxx

[bizzybob]

Re: Collectica

Absolutely Inca, Laura you relax, and keep us posted, Beagles will help you sort Collectica. Anyway hopefully they will go down after the investigation into fraud and overcharging on tagging contracts along with that other too, in their own corporate minds big to be prosecuted G4S.

[bluebottle]

Re: Collectica

National Standards are very clear:

1) If the defaulter is pregnant all enforcement action must seize until 28 days after the birth of the child.

2) If anyone in the defaulter household is pregnant then it's discretionary, but the advice is the same, suspend until after birth.

Collectica are at it again, ignoring good solid enforcement rules.

Collectica have form for ignoring National Standards and telling porkies to HMCTS about debtors.

[CleverClogs]

Re: Collectica

Laura,,you absolutely MUST MUST MUST follow the Beagles advice re bailiff AND your health and that of your unborn child...no bloody debt is worth making you so stressed at this stage of pregnancy...it's blatantly obvious Bailiffs don't give a damn about abiding by their own guidelines and,,of course,,they LIE.

For example, the bailiff is not allowed to seize any baby to sell to Madonna in settlement of a debt.

Besides, the child probably wouldn't suit her colour scheme. :grin:

[Laura123212]

Re: Collectica

Thanks for your replays I have a GP letter, and copy of my pregnancy notes sent them off waiting for a reply, baby is fine I've stopped the stressing as people are giving me support, just this close to Christmas for a 20poind fine is depressing, hope it sorted bayliff die to come out at 4pm but I heard nothink since I emailed the and account was on hold so I'm worried to go out jus in case, I come home to nothink left,

[Monkey Drunk]

Re: Collectica

Laura,

Your account has been placed on hold provisionally by Collectica while they await your paperwork. This is the correct procedure as per HMCTS guidelines. Rather than just wait and assume it's being dealt with though, I would contact the office for confirmation of receipt. If your paperwork is accepted, the office should either put the case on hold for a further extended period of time until after the birth or possibly offer you an in house payment arrangement and relieve the bailiff of his duty.

It also wouldn't hurt to send a copy of your paperwork to the fines office dealing with your account. While pregnant, there's not a cat in hells chance of HMCTS granting the bailiff locksmith authority regardless of what he says.

Did you speak to the bailiff face to face? Are you visibly pregnant? Did you discuss how far gone you are?

If the bailiff does turn up today at 4pm, camera phones at the ready and ask him a few simple questions, safe in the knowledge that nothing bad will happen.

1. Is he aware the account is on hold for pregnancy reasons?
2. Who authorised the locksmith at HMCTS?
3. Doesn't he have anything better to do than terrorise heavily pregnant women?

Above all else, stay calm and pleasant with your bailiff dealings regardless. Better still, get someone else to speak for you.

[bluebottle]

Re: Collectica

Laura,

Your account has been placed on hold provisionally by Collectica while they await your paperwork. This is the correct procedure as per HMCTS guidelines. Rather than just wait and assume it's being dealt with though, I would contact the office for confirmation of receipt. If your paperwork is accepted, the office should either put the case on hold for a further extended period of time until after the birth or possibly offer you an in house payment arrangement and relieve the bailiff of his duty.

It also wouldn't hurt to send a copy of your paperwork to the fines office dealing with your account. While pregnant, there's not a cat in hells chance of HMCTS granting the bailiff locksmith authority regardless of what he says.

Did you speak to the bailiff face to face? Are you visibly pregnant? Did you discuss how far gone you are?

If the bailiff does turn up today at 4pm, camera phones at the ready and ask him a few simple questions, safe in the knowledge that nothing bad will happen.

1. Is he aware the account is on hold for pregnancy reasons?
2. Who authorised the locksmith at HMCTS?
3. Doesn't he have anything better to do than terrorise heavily pregnant women?

Above all else, stay calm and pleasant with your bailiff dealings regardless. Better still, get someone else to speak for you.

Good solid advice.

[Laura123212]

Re: Collectica

They said they have not recieved a copy of my notes, and it's been 21day 2day she said payment is due 2day what do I do shall I send notes on recorded delivery 2day?

[CleverClogs]

Re: Collectica

No - use Special Delivery.

[bluebottle]

Re: Collectica

They said they have not recieved a copy of my notes, and it's been 21day 2day she said payment is due 2day what do I do shall I send notes on recorded delivery 2day?

Were the notes sent to the court, Collectica or both? Check with Royal Mail as to delivery status. Also be aware that Collectica have been caught, in the recent past, telling porkies to HMCTS about debtors/defaulters. Not surprisingly, HMCTS are not happy bunnies with Collectica. Not surprising when you realise who Collectica's "parent" is.