Marstons Bailiffs

[CleverClogs]

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It would be relatively simple to capture an electronic image of each envelope after it had passed through a franking machine.

It would also be quite simple to print each envelope with a unique bar code so that it could be tracked in the post.

[bizzybob]

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It would be relatively simple to capture an electronic image of each envelope after it had passed through a franking machine.

It would also be quite simple to print each envelope with a unique bar code so that it could be tracked in the post.

Exactly, otherwise how do you track all thiose parcels in a delivery system

[Inca]

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Wether the original summons was delivered or not seems to be purely academic because the OP contacted the court to say it hadn't and had 2 opportunities to go and make stat declarations that he hadn't received the summons and didn't attend either of them even though he had them moved to his local court.

Unfortunately the onus was on the OP to follow through the procedures not the courts.
If nothing else can be done to sort this through the courts I would suggest OP makes an arrangement to pay Marstons in instalments or wait to get arrested and see what the Judge has to say.

[wales01man]

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Well said INCA

[TopBoy]

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It would be relatively simple to capture an electronic image of each envelope after it had passed through a franking machine.

It would also be quite simple to print each envelope with a unique bar code so that it could be tracked in the post.

Relatively simple, but probably expensive? And I suspect people would then turn their attention to the phrase "proof of postage is not proof of delivery"

[CleverClogs]

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Wether the original summons was delivered or not seems to be purely academic because the OP contacted the court to say it hadn't and had 2 opportunities to go and make stat declarations that he hadn't received the summons and didn't attend either of them even though he had them moved to his local court.

His priorities do seem a bit odd.

Unfortunately the onus was on the OP to follow through the procedures not the courts.
If nothing else can be done to sort this through the courts I would suggest OP makes an arrangement to pay Marstons in instalments or wait to get arrested and see what the Judge has to say.

One might suggest he be gaoled for fare-dodging, but that would cost the tax-payers even more money.

Perhaps a foot (or a few toes) should be amputated instead?

[CleverClogs]

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Relatively simple, but probably expensive? And I suspect people would then turn their attention to the phrase "proof of postage is not proof of delivery"

The device need not be expensive, as the camera would be fixed focus.

You are largely mistaken in your second statement, as the law was framed in some mythical golden age when no letters ever went astray in the post and no delivery postman, deciding he would prefer to spend his time fishing, would even dream of dumping sacks of mail into the nearest river. As a result, mail that can be proved to have been posted is deemed to have been delivered unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary.

That, however, was why I suggested adding a bar code to each envelope as it was franked, as the bar codes could be read by a machine at every step in the process of delivery - a sort of "Special Delivery Light", if you like, or more akin to the old Registered Post from decades ago.

[Inca]

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Cloggy..you really are out there on your own planet msl:

[bizzybob]

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The device need not be expensive, as the camera would be fixed focus.

You are largely mistaken in your second statement, as the law was framed in some mythical golden age when no letters ever went astray in the post and no delivery postman, deciding he would prefer to spend his time fishing, would even dream of dumping sacks of mail into the nearest river. As a result, mail that can be proved to have been posted is deemed to have been delivered unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary.

That, however, was why I suggested adding a bar code to each envelope as it was franked, as the bar codes could be read by a machine at every step in the process of delivery - a sort of "Special Delivery Light", if you like, or more akin to the old Registered Post from decades ago.

That way it could be tracked at least to the delivering postman/woman's bag

[labman]

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You are largely mistaken in your second statement, as the law was framed in some mythical golden age when no letters ever went astray in the post and no delivery postman, deciding he would prefer to spend his time fishing, would even dream of dumping sacks of mail into the nearest river.

That way it could be tracked at least to the delivering postman/woman's bag

But not to the trout that actually ate the summons?

[CleverClogs]

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Cloggy..you really are out there on your own planet msl:

Because I know how one postman gave himself a holiday or because I can imagine how the postal system could be improved?

Most delivery postmen who want to take a day off just stuff the mail back into pillar boxes, but I do know of mailbags being dumped in a river and, when they washed up, the local Venture Scouts having to abseil into the ravine to retrieve them.

[lach90]

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A lot of assumptions seem to be made here.

I did in fact tell the correct people i couldn't make the dates given, i can't quite remember now, but I'm certain that one of the days was on the day of my exam, and the other was during Labs. Obviously i cannot miss either, so i suggest you rephrase 'i haven't got my priorities right'. Both are a legitimate reason, as neither could be rescheduled, where as the Stat dec can.

If the court didn't agree the summons wasn't received they wouldn't have allowed me to sign a stat dec in the first place.

I never disputed the fine when the ticket inspector stopped me, i was going to pay the £20, as obviously it was my fault. Everyone makes mistakes. However why i was then not allowed to pay this £20 on the spot and told i would be dealt with differently, i am not sure.

I didn't fail to follow things through after the Final Steps notice, as i stated earlier, i received it through my door 3 weeks after the date on top of the letter. I sent a letter that very same day to the courts, recorded delivery.

It's nothing to do with attitude, the ticket was in the bin. I would've happily retrieved it, had they let me.

[Inca]

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Lach,
Noone is casting doubt on your story,I totally understand that Uni commitments come first,,but that's me,,not the court or bailiffs.
If you couldn't make either date to do the stat dec it was down to you to reschedule,not the courts and this is where I think you may well fall on your own sword.
We're all guilty of 'I'll deal with it tomorrow'.syndrome

So,,now you have to explore what options (if any) are open to you,,and on that point I bow to the superior knowledge of other Beagles,,,someone will know what's best to do. Just be prepared to not like the answer,it may well be you have to cough up to Marstons.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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the OP seems to have an attitude after all telling the staff to look for his ticket in a bin probably full of rubbish and other tickets do they think this is what railway staff do dig through bins?

Unfortunatly Wales, this is something staff have to face on a daily basis.
I have had my jaw broken by a customer who queue jumped because I carried on helping an elderly passenger and "He had a train to catch", A colleuge had the door of the gents loos slammed in his face because he dared say that they were out of order and ask a passenger to wait for me to say the ladies was empty.

Assault, both physical and verbal is rife on the railway, a lot of the travelling public's attitude is, "You're scum and there to work for me!" or to quote one gentleman "I have made in 20 mins more money than you will ever make, I'm incredibly rich and you're not!"

To ask an Inspector to root through a bin for a ticket doesn't surprise me one bit, and the reason the whole thing went to court is possibly because he was asked to, he simply did his job and walked away.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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I never disputed the fine when the ticket inspector stopped me, i was going to pay the £20, as obviously it was my fault. Everyone makes mistakes. However why i was then not allowed to pay this £20 on the spot and told i would be dealt with differently, i am not sure.

I didn't fail to follow things through after the Final Steps notice, as i stated earlier, i received it through my door 3 weeks after the date on top of the letter. I sent a letter that very same day to the courts, recorded delivery.

It's nothing to do with attitude, the ticket was in the bin. I would've happily retrieved it, had they let me.

The Inspector did the right thing unfortunatly, if any protest is made about the fine then it is sent to the Head Office of whichever company pending prosecution.
Too many Inspectors are hurt when they have to say, "no you have no ticket you have to pay a penalty fare that they are taught", come away. You had no ticket in your possesion when asked to produce it, even if you had been stopped on the train, you had discarded your ticket and the Conditions Of Carraige state the "Defaced, lost or damaged tickets are liable to a penalty fare of (depends on the company) or a full single fare, whichever is greater"

Also if you knew what people put in to train bins, you would be shaking the Inspectors hand and thanking him for stopping you, I have known cleaners ask for a sharps bin after discovering a bin full of dirty syringes!