Really need your advice re: JBW

[bluebottle]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

I don't know about you, Davy, but the arguments Legalese is putting forward strike me as being very much "Freeman On The Land" arguments. There are some aspects of the Freeman philosophy that are worthy of further investigation and once these arguments are grounded, it may be that they can be used to turn the tide against those who abuse and misuse the law. Until those arguments are grounded, I am inclined to view Freeman arguments as "as yet unproven". It is not me being a cynic, just me going by gut-feeling.

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

I am fully conversant with the law regarding what the bailiffs can and cannot do, as are many on here, we have a section of the forum devoted to the subject.

From what i gather your approach is that the bailiff has no power to enforce a warrant or order unless you give it to him.

This is untrue, he is empowered by the legislation. If a policeman issues a fine and you do not pay then the fine does not just go away, why would it, on the contrary it escalates, this is not news to the people on here.

"They have no power without consent", what does that mean, is it that a person can break the laws and statutes (civil or criminal) with completer impunity as long as they just do not acknowledge they exist.
I m sorry experience tells me otherwise.

In its wider sense the phrase refers to democracy as a whole of course.

You seem to have an off beat view about many things, the books you mention are expensive because they are produced for a minority market, there is no conspiracy there, my daughter has just completed a nursing course, medical books have the same sort of price tag for the same reason.

D

No he doesn't have the power to enforce a warrant only a court bailiff has (it will have the crown on it).
If a policeman issues you a fine and you accept it and you fail to pay it then yes they can come after you as you accepted it, only a judge can give you a fine not a policeman, however, he can attempt to give you a penalty charge for breaking the rules.
Democracy is a great word isn't it.
The books are based upon our law and are available for us all at £7000.00 + lol

I am not encouraging anyone to play about with the law but when you get bailiffs that come along and use scaremongering for profits then yes you should use the law to its full extent and fight back.

[Guest]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Hi All,

Wow, alot been going on here!!!....

I'm open to all suggestions and help to keep these bailiffs away, i would do a breakdance whilst eating an ice cream if it worked...lol

Can i ask those,when you have me done as VULNERABLE, could you explain more on this, as i'm a stable strong person,not mental health or anything!!!!
Yes i don't like intimidation and i think even the hardest of persons would feel intimidated, but like Legalese states, if you haven't knowledge on the law then the whole process with the bailiffs is intimidating....

Tomorrow is D day for me when the line manager in parking fine office is getting back to me with regards to how we're going forward with this situation, either paying the fine at original cost or its going back into the bailiffs hands :-(.... so please keep fingers crossed for me!!

I do appreciate everyones advice and sorry not been on here much but riddled with a cold!!

Michelle

Hi

Yes fingers crossed, i apologize perhaps i had the wrong impression i thought a woman alone, a young child = vulnerable, perhaps i am just showing my age, young woman are a mach for any beefy bailiff these days, in any case you sound like you are. Good luck.

D

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Freeman on the land no im not, i have a daughter that is a lawyer and her friend is a doctor of law, and it is an eye opener i must admit, but very true.

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

mlc do not accept the parking fine and put the phone down, now what can they do to you?

[mlc]

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@Legalese if the council will put the fine back at the beginning and willing to prove the fine exists as i was caught on camera then im sorry i'm happy to pay the £55 and bring all this to an end, however if this is put back in the hands of the bailiff then i will sling anything at them for them to go away,apart from my money...

@Davyb.... yes im a single mum of a young daughter,and a son with mobility issues so if i can thow the word VULNERABLE at the bailiff then i shall sing that word from the top window in the theme of romeo but VULNERABLE VULNERABLE I AM SO VULNERABLE!!! , would that work???? :-)

I'm happy to be the guinea pig with LEGALESE's theories aslong as its legal in the sense i'm not carted off in handcuffs,

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Hahahahaha hancuffed and carted away by police for a parking ticket that was great mlc lol

[Guest]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

No he doesn't have the power to enforce a warrant only a court bailiff has (it will have the crown on it).
If a policeman issues you a fine and you accept it and you fail to pay it then yes they can come after you as you accepted it, only a judge can give you a fine not a policeman, however, he can attempt to give you a penalty charge for breaking the rules.
Democracy is a great word isn't it.
The books are based upon our law and are available for us all at £7000.00 + lol

I am not encouraging anyone to play about with the law but when you get bailiffs that come along and use scaremongering for profits then yes you should use the law to its full extent and fight back.

Warrants of execution are issued by county courts, warrants are as you say issued to court bailiff i also mentioned orders (as in liability orders), the fact is that bailiffs enforce orders and warrants.

Not sure what you mean about the fine thing, it can be regarded as admitting the offence if the fine is paid on site, if that is what you mean, and if a defense is made the hearing would be in court the decision made by a judge.
If you are suggesting that the driver is better off going to court if guilty of the offence , i would certainly not agree, as the fine is going to be magnified significantly by the process.

D

[mlc]

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As you can read i'm ignorant to the law.....

Can the bailiff get a warrant from the court with a crown stamp to come into my property if i'm not home and all windows are locked!!!

I'm currently trying to train my 12 week old kitten to attack if they do but she just looks at me and purrs!!!! :-/ lol

[Guest]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

@Legalese if the council will put the fine back at the beginning and willing to prove the fine exists as i was caught on camera then im sorry i'm happy to pay the £55 and bring all this to an end, however if this is put back in the hands of the bailiff then i will sling anything at them for them to go away,apart from my money...

@Davyb.... yes im a single mum of a young daughter,and a son with mobility issues so if i can thow the word VULNERABLE at the bailiff then i shall sing that word from the top window in the theme of romeo but VULNERABLE VULNERABLE I AM SO VULNERABLE!!! , would that work???? :-)

I'm happy to be the guinea pig with LEGALESE's theories aslong as its legal in the sense i'm not carted off in handcuffs,

Don't knock being vulnerable, they have to go away and leave you alone if you qualify.

D

[mlc]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Well the pressure of work, being a carer and all this with bailiffs my doctor is referring me for some counselling, so do i qualify......???

[Guest]

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Freeman on the land no im not, i have a daughter that is a lawyer and her friend is a doctor of law, and it is an eye opener i must admit, but very true.

Funny how everyone on these forums has a Nobel prize in the closet.

D

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

MLC we will end it there but remember that you asked the council to send you the evidence for you to pay the fine and in doing so you actually agreed to pay (contract established), however, they refused to accept your payment. Now davyb will advise you further on this refusal to accept payment.

[Guest]

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Lets have a look at this brief statement

MLC we will end it there but remember that you asked the council to send you the evidence for you to pay the fine and in doing so you actually agreed to pay (contract established)

How does asking for evidence of a debt establish a contract,that is even if having a contract was even relevant in this instance.


, however, they refused to accept your payment. Now davyb will advise you further on this refusal to accept payment.

We will wait and see what they say

D

[mlc]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

So can someone advise me whatto say or more not to say if they say they are referring it back to bailiffs, do i put phone down,cry loudly or what???? :/