That referendum ...

[Openlaw15]

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I am afraid you have lost all credibility . The Great War was 1914-1918 and was the war to end all wars. As for IBM, well it was Eichmann a minor beuracrat within the SS who managed the trains during the final solution. I found no mention of IBM when reading writings on the holocaust by eminent Jewish scholars such as Hilberg ,Arendt and Landau.
I am afraid you also do a disservice to communists, Roma, homosexuals, political opponents and many others who were murdered by the Nazi regime.

Eugenics was not a British idea , Plato discussed it and Spartans practised it although Francis Galton is often thought of as its originator. It was practiced in the USA untill relatively recently..

You have totally misrepresented the alleged complicity of IBM in the holocaust. Although not denied by IBM the methodology and conclusions were challenged. The claim was that it was a subsidiary of IBM that used data processing techniques to identify the various categories of Jews based on births and marriage records.

For someone who claims to be an expert in so many fields, I am afraid you are not doing very well.

Any research into into such an emotive subject has to be thorough because there will be people who deny the holocaust ever took place. I am not one of them and I believe under the right circumstances , possibly what is happening in Europe right now, it could happen again.


To add further critique
Your suggestion that it might stop those nasty foreigners from having a scrap but us Brits just don't do that sort of thing would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous. You often quote law and legislation, I did not just pull the democratic thesis out of my a***' . Kant imagined it, is he important enough for you?

I see you edited some parts of your post, were they the bits that tried to claim your superiority?

When you critique someone you're supposed to use evidence to back that up, not just cite information as though it were facts, without anything to validate your statements. I cannot believe how anal retentive people are on this website, they're just so literal. It's as though they're very insecure. Superiority, I mean really - how about grow up! In my view the 2nd world war was the great war as it was nearly lost which would have tremendously changed the modern world as we know it. In any event if I were to have intended 'a great war' with emphasis I'd have done that. Francis Galton is not thought to be the originator of eugenics at all and I never said that. I said that prominent members in society were eugenic. I stated: 'are said to have' ...I never said it was a fact....now you're losing credibility as though can't tell the difference between any opinion I were to hold, a thing alleging something to have occurred, or a fact which was cited from a source. Stop personalising things....don't you have the ability to make a statement without it being ad hominem?

[leclerc]

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Farage is one of the people he pretends to loath. Public school, ex city ****er I believe and one of the elite. Man of the people my aunt fanny

He probably means that he is not Oxbridge educated

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Farage is one of the people he pretends to loath. Public school, ex city ****er I believe and one of the elite. Man of the people my aunt fanny

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Germany made war in 1914 and again in 1939 and in the second world war (the great war) killed around 6 million Jews and many disabled people, which interestingly the Nazis got their eugenic ideas from the British and the Americans. IBM are said to have controlled the efficiency of the Nazi trains to the death camps: https://mic.com/articles/142991/edwi...ory#.lMure3RjD German judges signed the disabled's death certificates. Who funded this war; all of this, am guessing a few prominent American eugenics, and of course the European bankers.

I find it difficult that Germany after its atrocities in the 2nd world war is still the dominant country in the EU. In terms of law 1939 is not too distant. Germany should hold its head in shame, even to this day, they have a short memory. So stop all this rhetoric that the EU provides peace - not many countries would commit war in the modern era, not in the EU areas anyway. So this argument for EU and democracy is a little dated. The EU may stop Germany, Italy, and Austria from making war but countries like the UK do not make war in the modern era. France was neutral - the other countries in the EU are not too relevant. The IRA was funded by the USA and its war is separate to the EU. The IRA, and ISIS for that matter, are entirely different. Simply put warring countries seek war by its nature to control Germany is no exception.

I am afraid you have lost all credibility . The Great War was 1914-1918 and was the war to end all wars. As for IBM, well it was Eichmann a minor beuracrat within the SS who managed the trains during the final solution. I found no mention of IBM when reading writings on the holocaust by eminent Jewish scholars such as Hilberg ,Arendt and Landau.
I am afraid you also do a disservice to communists, Roma, homosexuals, political opponents and many others who were murdered by the Nazi regime.

Eugenics was not a British idea , Plato discussed it and Spartans practised it although Francis Galton is often thought of as its originator. It was practiced in the USA untill relatively recently..

You have totally misrepresented the alleged complicity of IBM in the holocaust. Although not denied by IBM the methodology and conclusions were challenged. The claim was that it was a subsidiary of IBM that used data processing techniques to identify the various categories of Jews based on births and marriage records.

For someone who claims to be an expert in so many fields, I am afraid you are not doing very well.

Any research into into such an emotive subject has to be thorough because there will be people who deny the holocaust ever took place. I am not one of them and I believe under the right circumstances , possibly what is happening in Europe right now, it could happen again.


To add further critique
Your suggestion that it might stop those nasty foreigners from having a scrap but us Brits just don't do that sort of thing would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous. You often quote law and legislation, I did not just pull the democratic thesis out of my a***' . Kant imagined it, is he important enough for you?

I see you edited some parts of your post, were they the bits that tried to claim your superiority?

[PAWS]

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Do you know, I like Nicola Sturgeon -Now I don’t live in Scotland but to be fair she has...well….what women are not supposed to have! Remember the last time we had a woman representing us in the EU she came back with rebates! I thought her debating skills were good -she was calm and precise. Lots of other good points she made make me think she has a lot more integrity then most. Poor old Leanne Wood makes me think of Drizzle.
Right, I’ll brace myself!

[leclerc]

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i doubt that translates to voters, i think general labour suporters are sick of union interference just imagine if we would have got the other milliband.

We might have got a Labour government rather than a laboured opposition

[Crazy council]

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I dunno OL, reading through some of the comments lot's of his supporters seem to think he's the bee's knees and 'stuck it to them'

i doubt that translates to voters, i think general labour suporters are sick of union interference just imagine if we would have got the other milliband.

[EXC]

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Lol.

Sky news

Nicola Sturgeon has told the Scottish Parliament she is determined the country's voice "will be heard" after the UK Brexit vote. Scotland's First Minister is due to travel to Brussels on Wednesday...

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European Council President Donald Tusk has turned down a meeting with Nicola Sturgeon

[wales01man]

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If only others were like me I support no party in particular most politicians have some good ideas pity we could not create the perfect one a person who has the respect of everyone
Any candidates???????

[Amethyst]

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I dunno OL, reading through some of the comments lot's of his supporters seem to think he's the bee's knees and 'stuck it to them'

[Openlaw15]

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Very embarrassing. Mind you this is equally as cringing, watch the video at the top http://news.sky.com/story/1718507/no...er-fire-corbyn

Wow, even I have to say Farage was getting their backs up which really is not good never mind 'swallow me whole please ground.' They literally couldn't believe their ears (imagine it, hearing in your native language when the translator fed the information through). You could see it in their faces when the signal translated to their languages, they were so embarrassingly mortified. Hmm, it's a shame the Remain group never showed Farage's antics prior to the referendum. He's allowed to say what he wants in accordance with his own politics fair enough, but attacking them saying they've never worked in a proper job is just rather pathetic. He can think it but only someone with Tourette's syndrome would say something like that out loud.

[PAWS]

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Bless his socks. I do like Mr Corbyn , as a person, and feel for him, it's been a crappy week and he behaved admirably, and honestly ( afaik) in the campaign .... he's not 'toffee nuts' to be the labour leader though. I, personally, think Hilary Benn would have made a good Labour Leader, but who knows what Labour want/are these days!

If Hilary was anything like his Dad then Labour could become an extraordinary party. Certainly the calibre this country needs right now.

[Amethyst]

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The UK and is people are adapt at bouncing back the future is there for us all lets be positive and stop comparing the future what may happen with the past that has been and gone.
As for Nigel he loves to be the centre of attention says some sense but spots a lot of crap thankfully HE will not be negotiating the exist

Its quite horrific to think he has been part of representing UK interests in the EU for the past, what? 17 years ? ffs. No wonder they can't wait to see the back of us. I did notice ONE of the other UKIP MEPs almost held on to some dignity but gave in just at the end of the most ridiculous standing ovation ever.

What I’d like to see is a grownup and sensible attitude to how we negotiate a different relationship. I know that virtually none of you have never done a proper job in your lives, or worked in business, or worked in trade, or indeed ever created a job. But listen, just listen.

You’re quite right Mr Schultz – Ukip used to protest against the establishment and now the establishment protests against Ukip.

[...]

Why don’t we be grown up, pragmatic, sensible, realistic and let’s cut between us a sensible tariff-free deal and thereafter recognise that the United Kingdom will be your friend, that we will trade with you, cooperate with you, we will be your best friends in the world.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[des8]

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Law is made up of history as is psychology etc. Why is it that when I make a point there is an over-reaction. Just stop over-reacting, why is there this drive to argue with what am saying as though the point has not been grasped or just argument for argument's sake. It's the point that is important not the detail. The point was eugenics and countries control other's resources for selfish reasons. The detail ie this or that country is not important as it's just the finer detail. This is just non sequitur ie the point has been omitted yet the point that I made is still sound, ie i provided evidence of everything I said. I think it's simplistic to view my knowledge commensurate with horrible histories. What alternative version could there be? These things happened, yes they are negative, yes, but history shows us elites have the potential to do damage if we were to just blindly trust them. Why would we be so trusting with these large entities is what I do not understand. I could say if persons just trust them innocently then that's also a very simplistic view.

Sorry, but the detail is important if one bases a thesis on it.
My post 404 actually corrected one of your details, and others corrected other details.
Basic logic!

[Amethyst]

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Very embarrassing. Mind you this is equally as cringing, watch the video at the top http://news.sky.com/story/1718507/no...er-fire-corbyn

Bless his socks. I do like Mr Corbyn , as a person, and feel for him, it's been a crappy week and he behaved admirably, and honestly ( afaik) in the campaign .... he's not 'toffee nuts' to be the labour leader though. I, personally, think Hilary Benn would have made a good Labour Leader, but who knows what Labour want/are these days!