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    Hi everyone. Another CAG member disillusioned with the world and looking for a new place to "hang out and help"....

    I have abandoned ship, so to speak, from the CAG for many reasons.

    There is the obvious issue of DCA's posting on the forums trying to get people to phone up to receive "help"....

    Then, and this is a personal peeve of mine (please don't shoot me down if you disagree), in the spirit of helping the consumer fight back effectively I whole heartedly believe that it is important to allow people to understand what the law is. And by that I don't mean what we would like it to be, or what it could be in the future, or speculative arguments that may be able to change precedents in the future - I mean what the currently accepted law is right now...

    Please let me explain further:
    I think that if people are looking on the internet to get help for a debt problem, for sake of argument, they are unlikely to have the funds to get professional help and are equally as unlikely to be able to run the risk of taking any sort of challenge to a superior court.

    On that basis, I feel that first and foremost, the current law is most important and then, as a second and firmly second point, any possible future arguments should be debated - but not necesarily advised to people who are seeking assistance with worrying problems.

    I think that on the CAG, as many long-time members left, there has become and ever-increasing "militant" attitude which to an extent I like - but I feel that a number of newer members who have learned information from the boards have effectively taken over and are letting their hatred of the debt collection industry etc cloud their judgements and give people what is, in my personal opinion, inaccurate information. For sake of argument by taking a very narrow (and unaccepted) interpretation of a statute etc - or even by totally ignoring statutes!

    I can't count the number of times I have been shot down for attempting to bring to light such erroneous comments.

    In short, I no longer wish to be a part of that community and I do hope to find a more democratic community here at leagalbeagles in which I can do my bit to help people who may otherwise be bullied and bashed into submission by possibly unscrupulous companies.

    I'm not an expert in law and I don't know everything. I am still learning. I am a mature law student just entering the second year of my degree - but I will try my very hardest to help people here in this community.

    All the very best.
    UF
    None of my posts constitute any kind of legal advice. I do not accept any liability whatsoever resulting from anyone reading and/or acting upon the contents of any of my posts. Always seek the advice of a qualified and insured lawyer.

    I have a first-class LLB (Hons) (law) degree and I continue to research the law for my own pleasure. This does not make me an expert in the law. I make mistakes, just as we all do. My posts are made in good faith, but anyone relying upon the accuracy of my posts does so purely and entirely at their own risk. I do not accept any responsibility whatsoever, for any detriment of whatever type or nature, resulting from any person(s) acting upon the contents of my posts.

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    Re: Another CAG exile

    Welcome

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    • #3
      Re: Another CAG exile

      Hello UnitedFront and welcome to LB
      Onwards and Upwards

      Chalkitup

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      • #4
        Re: Another CAG exile

        Hiya and Welcome to Beagles, we appreciate everybody's input on here.

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        • #5
          Re: Another CAG exile

          Watchya

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          • #6
            Re: Another CAG exile

            Hello and welcome to Beagles, I reckon you will be able to find your way about, but if not just give a shout.
            Enaid x

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              Re: Another CAG exile

              Welcome
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              • #8
                Re: Another CAG exile

                Originally posted by UnitedFront View Post
                Hi everyone. Another CAG member disillusioned with the world and looking for a new place to "hang out and help"....

                I have abandoned ship, so to speak, from the CAG for many reasons.

                There is the obvious issue of DCA's posting on the forums trying to get people to phone up to receive "help"....

                Then, and this is a personal peeve of mine (please don't shoot me down if you disagree), in the spirit of helping the consumer fight back effectively I whole heartedly believe that it is important to allow people to understand what the law is. And by that I don't mean what we would like it to be, or what it could be in the future, or speculative arguments that may be able to change precedents in the future - I mean what the currently accepted law is right now...

                Please let me explain further:
                I think that if people are looking on the internet to get help for a debt problem, for sake of argument, they are unlikely to have the funds to get professional help and are equally as unlikely to be able to run the risk of taking any sort of challenge to a superior court.

                On that basis, I feel that first and foremost, the current law is most important and then, as a second and firmly second point, any possible future arguments should be debated - but not necesarily advised to people who are seeking assistance with worrying problems.

                I think that on the CAG, as many long-time members left, there has become and ever-increasing "militant" attitude which to an extent I like - but I feel that a number of newer members who have learned information from the boards have effectively taken over and are letting their hatred of the debt collection industry etc cloud their judgements and give people what is, in my personal opinion, inaccurate information. For sake of argument by taking a very narrow (and unaccepted) interpretation of a statute etc - or even by totally ignoring statutes!

                I can't count the number of times I have been shot down for attempting to bring to light such erroneous comments.

                In short, I no longer wish to be a part of that community and I do hope to find a more democratic community here at leagalbeagles in which I can do my bit to help people who may otherwise be bullied and bashed into submission by possibly unscrupulous companies.

                I'm not an expert in law and I don't know everything. I am still learning. I am a mature law student just entering the second year of my degree - but I will try my very hardest to help people here in this community.

                All the very best.
                UF
                Hello United Front. I see you've recently come back to LB after nearly three years absence from posting. How has your attitude to helping people fight for their legal rights changed from your initial ideals now that you have completed your law degree?

                I think you can probably guess why I'm asking this question.

                Here's a clue in your heavily edited post #66 in this thread: http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...186#post320186
                Last edited by PlanB; 24th February 2013, 00:33:AM. Reason: added link for clarity

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                  Re: Another CAG exile

                  This is a very old thread and CAG has changed a lot since 2010 when I also used to be there. The militant attitude has left the building along with quite a few of the more knowledgeable posters on there. A number of CAGgers joined Another Site in 2011/12 and virtually everyone who did, ended up banned from CAG, the site is now a shadow of its former self.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Another CAG exile

                    With all due to respect to you guys, I have no idea why you did not PM UF rather than to effectively bump up a long forgotten thread. On internet forums, people are free to come and go and that is their choice. LB does not get the same traffic as CAG because CAG started off very strongly(and had 18 months head start) and got a lot of momentum. A lot of good posters left the site for various reasons and some, no longer even go on consumer forums simply because that certain something that gave them that joie de vivre for giving advice went. I think there are some of us less passionate about the fight because life has gotten in the way of it all.
                    The fact remains that people will go to multiple forums now and may receive conflicting advice due to the conflicting nature of forums. In regards to CAG, they started to appear to be a little mini MSE with authorised people allowed on their forum. I rarely visit their site because it is not to my taste. I know that they have one of two people who on certain issues, I would say they are first rate but they also have people who simply appear to be site team because they did not quit and leave as many did. The forum contained a lot of misinformation and stuff that was inaccurate and that is where the loss of what we call "experienced" posters has hurt the site. They have stopped reading the material and the information that is inter related, they have forgotten to actually work with who they perceive as the enemy and ultimately it has lead to a site that contains poor information and will lead in all probability to a poster suing an institution in court and losing and then having costs against them due to that advice. I hope to be wrong.
                    "Family means that no one gets forgotten or left behind"
                    (quote from David Ogden Stiers)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Another CAG exile

                      This is such an old thread, I'm surprised it has resurfaced... I wouldn't be offended if Admin locks it to stop it cluttering up the forum.

                      PlanB I absolutely accept that I went too far in the thread to which you refer. I haven't finished my degree yet, I am in my final year and (hopefully) set to graduate with a first class honours. My ideals haven't changed. I still think that people should be able to debate matters - but this includes both the giving, receiving, considering of information and giving of a related response.

                      I still believe that the advice we give should be of what the law is now, not what we hope it will be, or what we think it will be. If people want to try and make precedent, then more power to them. But in an open forum people should be open to receiving honest, even if hard hitting, advice.

                      I went too far, I didn't strike any sort of balance. This is why I edited the post and left the thread.
                      None of my posts constitute any kind of legal advice. I do not accept any liability whatsoever resulting from anyone reading and/or acting upon the contents of any of my posts. Always seek the advice of a qualified and insured lawyer.

                      I have a first-class LLB (Hons) (law) degree and I continue to research the law for my own pleasure. This does not make me an expert in the law. I make mistakes, just as we all do. My posts are made in good faith, but anyone relying upon the accuracy of my posts does so purely and entirely at their own risk. I do not accept any responsibility whatsoever, for any detriment of whatever type or nature, resulting from any person(s) acting upon the contents of my posts.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Another CAG exile

                        UnitedFront,
                        I say hullo and welcome back..........I also say that I hope you carry on in your chosen profession and admit when you make a mistake, which you have done here, and I compliment you on that.................there are VERY few solicitors who admit to mistakes..........they say if you do not like my advice go somewhere else and in quite a few cases............. I have found that a second opinion has shown that the 1st solicitor was wrong in the way he/she interpretated a law.
                        NO-ONE KNOWS/understands the law as you seem to say they do.................it is all down to interpretation .......if the law was simple there would be no requirement for legal professionals............in my opinion ( and of course its my opinion right or wrong) the Laws are made for legal people to open up job vacancies.....they are not made to "protect" the common individual. ........and We ( the "un-legally trained people don't like it ........that's why we fight it.
                        Enough said ...but again welcome.

                        A senile old member of L/B nevertheless a member.
                        Sparkie

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                        • #13
                          Re: Another CAG exile

                          What I love about LB is that you are allowed to express your views and share your experiences without being judged. These experiences allow all of us to grow and learn about the financial minefield we live in, as well as in other areas of our lives. In the tainted world we live in the law is not always black and white.

                          On the side, I also feel we are an extended family and are there for each other and help each other out in times of trouble.

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