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  • Voluntary Termination Issue with BMW

    Hi,

    Appreciate any advice here.

    Dealing with BMFS on an excess mileage issue. I VT the car in Sept 2019 at 3 years on a 4 year PCP having paid 50% of the car value. Just received a further letter from BMWFS disputing my position - my second letter was taken from this site and read as follows:

    "I am writing further to your letter dated 3rd October 2019 the contents of which are noted.
    In your letter you mentioned that the reason why I am liable for excess mileage is because section 99(2) of the CCA states that termination of the agreement does not affect liability accrued before termination. Whilst I do not disagree with this statement, it would appear that you are misguided in your understanding of a debtors’ liability because to understand such liability, section 99 and section 100 must be read together......etc ".

    BMWFS now stating that in their 2nd letter the following:

    "Our correspondence sent to you subject "Your voluntary termination enquiry" under the section excess mileage (select agreements only) it explicitly states
    "Your maximum total mileage is stated in your agreement. This will be pro-rated to the date we accept your request to voluntarily terminate the agreement. If you have exceeded your pro-rated mileage, we will send you an invoice for the excess mileage due".

    They then go on to quote Section 99 (2) of the Act - "termination of an agreement by a customer by way of VT does not affect any liability under the agreement which has accrued before the termination".

    "The excess mileage charges for Depreciation and Termination sections of the Agreement clearly states that Excess Mileage charges are sums that become payable under the Agreement prior to termination and as such it is clear that they are due and payable by you pursuant to Section 99 (2).

    They then state under the terms of their Complaints Procedure this is their final response.

    They then tell me I have a right to refer this to the FOS within 6 months.

    Appreciate and advice if the above is a standard response - and I am not liable for the excess charge - if so what should be my next move ? Or does the above look as though for some reason I am liable ?

    Thanks in advance.
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    Hello

    I suggest you read the transcript of the judgment from the thread below, Amethyst provided a link to it which is one of the last few posts on the thread - that should give you an idea. Short answer: I suggest you go to the FOS and make a complaint.

    https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...pls-help/page2


    Also, as a side note - I would be interested in seeing a copy of your finance agreement (personal info redacted). I'm curious to see what clauses BMW have written around excess mileage.
    If you have a question about the voluntary termination process, please read this guide first, as it should have all the answers you need. Please do not hijack another person's thread as I will not respond to you
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    • #3
      Thanks Rob. I will upload the letter shortly.

      Any other comments very welcome !

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      • #4
        Sorry Perth, it's not the letter I am after, it's the PCP terms and conditions.
        If you have a question about the voluntary termination process, please read this guide first, as it should have all the answers you need. Please do not hijack another person's thread as I will not respond to you
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        • #5
          BMW FS have now placed my excess mileage charge with a debt collection agency - they did not advise me of this.

          I intend writing to the debt collection agency stating this is currently under dispute.. I then was planning on sending a letter to BMW FS re-confirming my disagreement with their claim and suggest they either take me to court or drop the case. Is that a sensible plan ? Thanks*

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          • #6
            Can you update what happened between end of October to date please.
            #staysafestayhome

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            • #7
              No harm in doing so but it won't stop BMW from doing what they are doing, or the debt collection agency for that matter. Only way to stop it is to go to the Financial Ombudsman or to court (if you are negatively affected i.e. credit rating) or BMW just stop chasing it.

              BMW won't take this one to court I think, they never done so just instead mark your credit file.*
              If you have a question about the voluntary termination process, please read this guide first, as it should have all the answers you need. Please do not hijack another person's thread as I will not respond to you
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              • #8
                Hi - thanks for response from Rob and Amethyst.

                In reply - since my second letter to BMW FS I have received from them the following :

                1, October - Notice of Sums in Arrears letter with an Invoice of the o/s amount.
                2. November - two chase up letters - one stating it may be reported to the credit reference agencies - the other stating my total liabilities will increase.
                3. November - late payment letter with invoice for £27.45.

                Since I spoke with BMWFS on 23rd Dec they have emailed me confirming that the o/s amount is with their external agents DCA.

                In BMW FS second letter to me they state I have a right to refer to the FOS within 6 months of the date of their letter* - that's means I have until early* April 2020 to file.*

                Therefore I assume their letters and referring me on to a debt collection agency are their way of threatening me into settling. As I have this period of time I assume they can take no further action.

                Appreciate any advice.

                Many thanks*


                *

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                • #9
                  Is the mileage charge only £27.45 or is that for something different ?
                  #staysafestayhome

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                  • #10
                    No the £27.45 is interest on the o/s amount*

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