Dealing with transport for london

[justask]

TfL is trying to force me to pay a PCN that i had nothing to do with.I am the registered keeper but somebody else was utilising the vehicle at the time of the alleged offence.he contacted them and told them so and awaited the paperwork to start making payments but they still want me to pay.they send bailiffs who clamped my vehicle but when they went I took the clamp off and still have it as they never came back yet they still want to send more bailiffs for this fine that is not even mine.They say they don`t take people to court but only deal with Bulk Centre at Northampton,I thought if here is no real court order they can`t touch my vehicle?What`s the latest info on this pls revert back .tks to all who participate on this forum it `s awesome!

[ploddertom]

As the registered keeper you are held responsible for any tickets incurred regardless of who is driving. The process for making an appeal still rests with you to begin with https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red...representation . Unpaid tickets are referred to the Traffic Enforcement Centre which is basically a rubber stamping exercise but still legal. If you have removed any clamp fitted to the vehicle you do run the risk of being stopped for driving a stolen vehicle which will also invalidate your insurance. The Bailiff has taken Control of your vehicle and it is now the property of the Court until payment is made either by you paying - including enforcement fees - or by being sold at auction.

[2222]

Plodderton, is JustAsk too late to appeal? If so, I suppose your advice is to pay up before things escalate still further?

Even if if there is going to be an appeal, it's best to pay now, I guess?

surely, the driver had all the details he needed to pay the PCN if he wanted to? He could have just paid it at the reduced rate, and none of this would have happened.

[justask]

TfL is trying to force me to pay a PCN that i had nothing to do with.I am the registered keeper but somebody elsehave no court papers as TfLondon doesn`t take anybody to Court was utilising the vehicle at the time of the alleged offence.he contacted them and told them so and awaited the paperwork to start making payments but they still want me to pay.they send bailiffs who clamped my vehicle but when they went I took the clamp off and still have it as they never came back yet they still want to send more bailiffs for this fine that is not even mine.They say they don`t take people to court but only deal with Bulk Centre at Northampton,I thought if here is no real court order they can`t touch my vehicle?What`s the latest info on this pls revert back .tks to all who participate on this forum it `s awesome!

Thanks for your response but I think I need to make things clearer .The van wasn`t or hadn`t become the property of the Court at all.They came early in the morning and clamped the vehicle ,I told them the issue still in appeal and they couldn`t clamp it until it was resolved but they just left saying they had other business to attend to.I removed the clamp as it was illegally put on and still keeping it as a souvenir but of course shall be giving it to them later on.There is no damage on it so they can`t charge me for it and no, I am not telling anybody how i was able to do it either.In short Transport For London pretends that their authority is from the Court which is unlawful isn`t it?Especially when they instruct Bailiffs on a fake Court Order,how can they possibly enforce a fake authority.Isn`t the Law this; The Court Order has to be wet signed by a judge to be legal"Not printed off in hundreds with an illegible name and signature of a presumed judge.?Or has the Laaw been changed and I don`t know about it?Please revert back if you can while I thank you All

[justask]

As the registered keeper you are held responsible for any tickets incurred regardless of who is driving. The process for making an appeal still rests with you to begin with https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red...representation . Unpaid tickets are referred to the Traffic Enforcement Centre which is basically a rubber stamping exercise but still legal. If you have removed any clamp fitted to the vehicle you do run the risk of being stopped for driving a stolen vehicle which will also invalidate your insurance. The Bailiff has taken Control of your vehicle and it is now the property of the Court until payment is made either by you paying - including enforcement fees - or by being sold at auction.

Please also while on the subject clarify something for me if possible..
The Common Law states that unless the Court procedures are followed to the letter.Which is obtaining a Court order as per the procedure and not pretend to have one without even going to the courts.Plus the fact that "you cannot charge money on a land not owned by yourself as an individual or a company therefore all the Councils and Agencies like these cannot charge any of us unless they have the ownership of the land that they charge for the use of?"This is the Common Law as I understand it..am i wrong?If so what is the law rekating to these matters?
Otherwise what`s the purpose of all these forums and discussions if we have no rights what so ever but are just unnecessary noises in the night so it won`t matter whatever they can practice lawful or unlawful?

[2222]

Well, good luck with that. You might also check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land

They may well be a group of like-minded souls.

The trouble with your approach is that the authorities don't agree. They'll happily fine, ban, or even jail you, whatever you think, and they have the muscle to back up their point of view.

[ploddertom]

Plodderton, is JustAsk too late to appeal? If so, I suppose your advice is to pay up before things escalate still further? The only escalation there can be now is removal & sale + auction costs - best guess £500 on top of the £310 already charged - will need to be a vehicle worth at least £5k.

Even if if there is going to be an appeal, it's best to pay now, I guess? - always best to pay at the reduced rate

surely, the driver had all the details he needed to pay the PCN if he wanted to? He could have just paid it at the reduced rate, and none of this would have happened. If the driver is going to admit to the "offence" and subsequently sent the ticket then the only way this can happen is for the RK to authorise someone - but it tells you that on TfL site.

Apeal may be able to be made but depends on grounds and any appeal has to be made through Traffic Enforcement Centre now seeing as it has got to Bailiff stage. The chances are it will be refused as all communications have been ignored to date.

[ploddertom]

Seeing as the OP seems to rely on FmOTL tactics & the wet ink signature brigade then I will submit no more on this subject.

[justask]

Apeal may be able to be made but depends on grounds and any appeal has to be made through Traffic Enforcement Centre now seeing as it has got to Bailiff stage. The chances are it will be refused as all communications have been ignored to date.

Tks for the advice.Just as an opinion,if you were in the same boat,what would you do?Not defend your lawful rights?Submit to a fake authority who doesn`t even follow their own Laws and when they do it`s always under false pretences as nobody question their validity ?You do surprise me as putting me in a "brigade"of some sort.Do we all have to accept whatever the so called authorities even though they have no power of jurisdiction yet pretend as if they have?By the way they did accept my half price offer as they were wrong all alone and realised their precarious position but I should not have been put in this situation because they felt like it.by the way the Bailiff wanted £530...maybe i should just have paid it eh?Not a chance in Hell!The whole system has to be LEGAL and trustworthy otherwise the corruption seeps in as it had for all those years of nobody questioning their motives of JUST GENERATING INCOME and not give a damn about who they hurt in the process ; be it lawful,just,correct or the total opposite.
Thanks again may the justice be with us All.

[2222]

I'd definitely cut my losses and pay the £530. It's only going to get worse if you ignore it.

[justask]

Thanks again for the advice but no can do..
At the end they came to my way of thinking and allowed me to pay around 10 per cent of what the Bailiffs were asking as they could see that I was right.If not I would have gone to Court and get a Court Order for much more than what they tried to get it from me since it is easily done by themsleves anyway.I d have instructed the Bailiffs too as they did.
Just a word on rights;sometimes you have to fight to get it,not just lie down and take it.
Have a wonderful Life.

[2222]

That's a really amazing outcome. Too good to be true!

[justask]

It`s true.