Civil enforcement

[Guest]

Received a PCN ticket - for my son at the home address - I wrongly told him to ignore them - now received court papers - sent a copy of the hotel receipt showing invoice - now received a Small Claims Form N180 and offered mediation - but If you had a legitimate reason for parking in a private car park to a hotel - do you stand any chance of mediation in your favour

[Kati]

tagging ostell xx

[Guest]

Thank you Kati

[Guest]

Just updating what happened -

Son visited friends staying at a Hotel - collected them and took them to the airport to fly home.

Parked in the Hotel car park and was early - didn't see a sign or think to register his vehicle at reception - didn't expect to be staying any longer than 5 minutes - they caught his car entering and exiting but not parked - total of some 45 minutes.

Received a PCN to parents address Registered Keepers and I wrongly told him to ignore it - Received various letters in varying degrees of demands - received a claim form from the courts and replied with a Hotel Receipt for the stay from his friends. Thought that would be last heard but now received a Notice of Proposed Allocation to the Small Claims Court with details of Mediation.

Should we decide to go down the Mediation and what should we say or not say or proceed to the court for a hearing. Do you recommend a legal representative. Would like to deal with this the best way not out to make a point merely to be treated fairly and not bullied into something.

Thanks for reading.

[ostell]

It sounds as though you have already entered a defence. What was it? Have you contacted the hotel and demanded that they cancel, showing the receipt? Have you details of the signs?

[Guest]

Did we do wrong ? Entering a defence ? We just sent a copy of the receipt for the hotel invoice ?

The Hotel sign states as of yesterday 20.05.18

Parking conditions

All visitors/guest must register for a Parking Permit From reception

These terms and conditions apply at all times

If you breach you are required to £100

[Guest]

I think where this went wrong is that:- in all supermarkets - Macdonalds car parks you are given 60/90 minutes and I think that's what my son thought this was.

[ostell]

So contact the hotel and see what they have to say.

[Guest]

Did do yesterday - nothing to do with them - Ibis Hotel - Accor

[ostell]

Have you still got the original Notice to Keeper?

You could plead that the unlit signs were not visible becaue of the early hour. How many hours before sunrise? Can you get a picture of the area taken without flash at the same time before sunrise to show how visible (not) the signs were

[Guest]

Hello and thank you for the replies - still looking for original form - it was in between 8am to 9am on 21.7.17 - so it might of been a bit too light -

my son went on Sunday to see the signs and he said there are lots more signs and that the reception has two he doesn't remember seeing before.

Can't prove they weren't there last year. We have the hotel receipt and the flight details for his friends - is this a good enough reason to go straight to the hearing or try mediation..

Thank you

[ostell]

Google Street view and see if you can find the signs. Which hotel?

[Guest]

It’s Ibis Lincoln

[Guest]

I can see none in 2012 street view and one on the entrance 2017 street view

[ostell]

And the one at the entrance is saying "permit holders only" so in effect you were trespassing and only the landowner can claim.