EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

[Amethyst]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

lol, and while I was typing ( I got sidetracked ) you've pretty much said the same, so I'll get my coat

[Amethyst]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

I think possibly you are asking the wrong question as surely it wouldn't be physically transferred monies it would be allocated somewhere higher up then sorted out monthly/annually ?

eg. EA's fail to collect on debts and the debtors pay the council direct. Maybe the full amount originally owed to the council - maybe part of, maybe more than, The council lets the EA know how much is paid and the EA continues to collect for the remainder, then end of month the council pays their EA bill which includes pro rata's on the payments they have received from debtors with instructed bailiffs

so say CT/EA bill is say £600 inc £200 EA fees ( £400 council tax/ £200 ea fees)
Debtor pays council £500
EA informed that only £100 is still owed

end of month/whatever Council allocate the £500 payment 33% to EA and 66% to their own coffers. EA continue collection of remaining £100 on which they'd pass 66% to the council and keep 33% ???

Just a vague rambling theory to chuck in the ring.

(I've used £200 simply because I couldn't be pooped to do proper maths)

If a council doesn't have a cash office then of course they can still do transfers, they just don't have a cash counter. It wouldn't work like that on a one to one basis anyway is what I am saying.

Argue about that for bit

I am showing myself up, being an idiot, stubborn, ignorant, a bailiff, into FMOTL, and S&M if you like.... so that's out the way and you lot don't need to bring it up.

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Because they say they pass nothing onto the EA. Simple really.

Pote a bit of basic maths for you.

not physically passing money to the EA = receiving less form the ea

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Post #60. Y'know Peter, I think you're not even reading the thread are you?

Well no Pote I don't have the thread memorized.

Here it is

The information you requested is as follows:

1. What happens at your Local Authority should a Council Tax account that has been passed
to an Enforcement Agent receive a payment, either a full or part payment, direct from the
debtor?

If a payment is received in relation to a debt that is with the Civil Enforcement Agents for collection they are informed of the change in balance.

2. If you pass no money on to the Enforcement Agent, do you inform the agent of any
payments made? Do you advise that they need to make their own arrangements to collect
their fees?

Civil Enforcement Agents are fully aware of the fees that they can charge Council Tax Payers which are set under legislation and are enforceable.

3. If you pass all or any money onto the Enforcement Agent, please can you show the exact
legislation that compels you to do so, directing me to the specific part?

As advised in question 1, the Civil Enforcements Agents are informed of any changes to balances of any cases in their possession.

Fees enforceable, agent advised of changed balance, there seems to be a pattern emerging here Pote do you see your error yet ?

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Pote it is you who should be embarrassed.
These responses do not prove anything, you just said yourself that no money needs to physically change hands, so what is to say that the amount the remaining bill is amended by is not calculated under the regulations ?

Because they say they pass nothing onto the EA. Simple really.

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Oh for crying out loud Peter - we're not talking about handing over a wad of notes from the local authorities safe are we? Every transaction wil be electronic - the pertinent fact remains that no money (ie funds) is paid to the EA in respect of their fees. In these cases, any direct payment is credited to the debt on the council tax account.

Why do you continue to show yourself up like this? It's absolutely ridiculous.

Pote it is you who should be embarrassed.
These responses do not prove anything, you just said yourself that no money needs to physically change hands, so what is to say that the amount the remaining bill is amended by is not calculated under the regulations ?

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Fullresponse and question again please

Post #60. Y'know Peter, I think you're not even reading the thread are you?

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

So there is no need to send physical cash the amount still to be collected is adjusted to include any fees due.

Exactly Peter, the fees due will not have been reduced by the direct payment. The EA has received nothing in respect of his fees.

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Do you remember the Eastleigh reply?

We do not pass money over to the Civil Enforcement Agents where there is a balance still due to the Council.

Fullresponse and question again please

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Pote it says this
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Payments are dealt with by advising the Enforcement Contractor to reduce the debt on their system.

So there is no need to send physical csh the ammount sitll t be collected is adjusted to include any fees due.

It is the same thing.

Oh for crying out loud Peter - we're not talking about handing over a wad of notes from the local authorities safe are we? Every transaction wil be electronic - the pertinent fact remains that no money (ie funds) is paid to the EA in respect of their fees. In these cases, any direct payment is credited to the debt on the council tax account.

Why do you continue to show yourself up like this? It's absolutely ridiculous.

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Pote it says this
#
Payments are dealt with by advising the Enforcement Contractor to reduce the debt on their system.

So there is no need to send physical cash the amount still to be collected is adjusted to include any fees due.

It is the same thing.

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Do you remember the Eastleigh reply?

We do not pass money over to the Civil Enforcement Agents where there is a balance still due to the Council.

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

They take online payments...

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Its OK I have found it it starts with this statement form the authority

We receive very few direct payments where an enforcement agent has been instructed in respect of the debt. Payments are dealt with by advising the Enforcement Contractor to reduce the debt on their system. We have not had any payments in full and clearly we are unable to prevent a debtor making a payment by automated telephone payment or internet (we do not have a cash office at Broadland). If a payment is received the debtor is advised in writing that all future payments should be made direct to the Enforcement Contractor.

They do not have a cash office, so it makes sense they cannot tranfer funds to anyone I would say Pote.

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Copy and paste the full response and the question as put please.

Did you miss it? Post #66 on this thread.