Prisoners

[Sapphire]

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Party 7 and don't forget the 2 litre bottles of Strongbow

[Inca]

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My teenage tipple was Sweet Martini and lemonade..Campari if I had the money msl:
Isn't it sad that some convicts are so 'institutionilised' that the only way they cope is in prison. Maybe an option is to have 'after prison' places that those who can't cope and reoffend to get back inside have a place to go to. Not like the 'sanitoriums' of old,,but big old hostels where they have to work for their keep within the place.
I know what I mean..hope you lot do as well,,cos I can't think of the words to describe it.

[leclerc]

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i thought that was called an "open" prison

[jon1965]

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For those of us that remember it you mean something like the halfway house that was run by Judy in the legendary series Prisoner Cell Block H

[Inca]

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Nah,,my nephew was in an 'open prison'...it was like Butlins ffs...he went from YOI (Pontins) lol..Way too easy an option.I don't mean a halfway house either.They would still be in prison just not overcrowding the mainstream ones.

[Celestine]

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Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/38/contents

Created in 1971 to tackle the 5000 approx 'addicts' we had then.

Nearest guesstimate of 'addiction' levels now, 500000 +

So that legislation worked really well hey?

[bluebottle]

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Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/38/contents

Created in 1971 to tackle the 5000 approx 'addicts' we had then.

Nearest guesstimate of 'addiction' levels now, 500000 +

So that legislation worked really well hey?

It's a waste of time, Cel. The British government would do better to follow the Dutch and legalise Class A drugs so that GPs can prescribe them under strict conditions to addicts. Takes dealers out of the equation. They are the problem. The burglaries and shoplifting carried out by the addicts to fund their addiction is a consequence.

[FlamingParrot]

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Fully agree with Inca.

You do the crime, and lose your benefits. I dont see why I should pay JSA to someone who is a serial offender.

I do: because if you don't, they will go back to offending. People are born with a survival instinct and if they haven't got any money and are hungry, what will they do? Steal, of course!

Our justice system is failing because there are no deterants. Get banged up and have a warm room, regular meals, a tv and a play station! its like that joke email, Hijack a 747 and win a 4 bed home in Suffolk!!

sooner we stop seeing the sob stories and realise these people are wrong doers the better!

We need a system of Dont enjoy being in prision? Dont do the crime!!

Uhmm, we'll have to ask some ex-prisoners to share their experiences and see if prison life really is that cushy, not having been inside myself, I guess I'm not qualified to offer an educated opinion, but I suspect there's more to being banged-up than just free room and board... :ohwell:

Not getting the help you need cos you were in jail? Dont get sent there!!

But once you've been there, done that, you can't turn the clock back, even if you've learned your lesson! So it's back to crime because you're left with no other alternative.

What appalled me was how they can release people from prison with just a few quid, then the rest of the system fails them in that they can not get access to emergency accommodation or food etc.
I am not talking about the punishment side of things here, i am talking about the rehabilitation side, that is part of the criminal justice system.
If someone is not provided any support is it any wonder that they resort to crime to survive. It's a bit different if your name is jeffrey archer and you have a home and a few million quid in the bank on your release

Precisely my point! :clap2:

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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have them trained in something useful then, dont give them benefits, give them an apprenticeship.. make them become worthwhile citezens.

Again, the more we say oh.. their human rights have been taken away, the more we forget the human rights of those they wronged!

They dont need benefits, they need employment, have them trained in a job while inside (rehabilitation see) and make them take a job, after all if they can tell a one legged Army vet you are fit for work, a lag who has never done an honest job in his life can work!!

No sympathy for repeat offenders, if you cant take the time, dont do the crime. Maybe if the benefits/help was stopped, and the sentancing stiffer people wouldn't be banged up in the first place, give the money you are giving criminals to the elderly/disabled instead.

[jon1965]

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Chicken egg, egg chicken

You say give them a job or train them...there are no bloody jobs. Manufacturing has gone to hell, mining is no more,

It's a fantastic idea but how do you do it.

Tell you what, lets just shoot em all...end of problem

Another option...forced labour camps....send anyone we don't like there

[Sapphire]

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How about a form of conscription, you offend, you go into one of the armed forces for training, then if you're good enough you can either stay in, or come out with some self respect at the end of it. Obviously we're not talking about murders, rapists etc going in before Jon or CC get started.

[jon1965]

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Anyone would think that i was argumentative !!

One flaw I can see...has anyone asked the top Brass if they want a bunch of criminals ?

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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they took em during the war hunny

[jon1965]

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And we used to chop peoples heads off but do we still want to do that?

I remember years ago talk about conscription and national service and it was said then that the Brass did not want to have to deal with such people as they had an country to protect

[Sapphire]

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Well they'd get the money that we'd spend on putting them in prison, so that could help fund more people to join the regulars.