sandy hook massacre

[Inca]

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One day someone will do something like this and the report will be 'he/she is a nasty violent evil egotistical basterd ,who thought nothing in taking a gun and deliberately gunning down children ,adults,anyone in his way,because he lived in a fantasy world where he ruled by fear and violence.There is no label to attach to this person,because there's nothing wrong with him,he is just PURE EVIL...........................rant over,,continue with your day msl:

[Sapphire]

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This might not be popular with some of you and I apologise but I'm saying it anyway, years ago there were home's for people with certain illnesses, they were not only for the safety of the sufferer but also to safeguard the public, now these homes are closed down and these people are now integrated in to 'normal life', yet they cannot cope with 'normal life', we really need to get the homes back and the people in them because sure as eggs is eggs there will be more tragedies like this.
Last year or maybe earlier this year a young lad where I live was caught hacking into computers, he's not allowed computers, internet, smart phones, but he's now at large around the area and believe me when we see him he's either bouncing about like a weeble on speed or he's drugged to the eyeballs and cannot function, the poor bugger should be in a home and being looked after properly until he's sentenced.
There is an old saying that there's more out than in and by christ its true.

Oh and by the way, before anyone jumps on me I am a sufferer from depression, have been down to the darkest depths imaginable but never ever would consider picking up guns and killing someone, unless of course you know where my ex lives and I might make an exception.

[enaid]

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And there are many that have been institutionalised that should never have been, pray we never go back to the Victorian Times on this matter.
Not sure if the lads mental state has been verified as yet, but he tried to purchase weapons a few days before this tragedy. This only makes you think it was premeditated and also thought out.
The small town they lived in was supposedly as safe a place as could be, so why did his mother hold 3 lethal weapons.

[Sapphire]

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My uncle is a marksman, he has guns very, very securely locked away in his home, also he has ammunition locked away in a separate part of his home, if the day comes when he decides to leave this mortal earth the police will go in there and clear everything before even I as his beneficiary and only relative can enter the house, thats the rules over hear, over in America the rules are so much more relaxed sadly, I really think its time that they tightened the law out there.

And there are many that have been institutionalised that should never have been, pray we never go back to the Victorian Times on this matter.

I agree wholeheartedly with you on that Di, but we do need to have these places where those who are a danger to others can be sent, only the other day there was a case on the London area tv of someone minding there own business on a bus being strangled by someone who had been allowed out on the streets, trouble is how do we decide who is and who isn't safe ?

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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Again we agree Eniad!

It is a sad world we are living in, my daughter was asked to write an essay about her favourite film, she wrote about Snow White and The Seven Dwarves, she thinks that the tooth fairy takes teeth to make her throne, and that when she's asleep her toys get up and play. She is 9.

Her best friends essay, his proud father showed me it, reads:
I like this film as the bad guy has the coolest guns, and he is evil. The good guy gets a bigger gun and blows his head off, and his body keeps walking its funny.

that film is, as far as I can work out, Evil Dead. The school teacher is horrified as far as I am aware, and stopped the child reading it out.

While people are exposed to hate and killing at such an early age, they will think its normal!

Maybe we should rewind 20 years, when kids had toys and games, and parents thought more about loving and raising their kids than they thought about where their shoes and coats come from, and who has spent more on the kids birthday parties!

[enaid]

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I agree wholeheartedly with you on that Di, but we do need to have these places where those who are a danger to others can be sent, only the other day there was a case on the London area tv of someone minding there own business on a bus being strangled by someone who had been allowed out on the streets, trouble is how do we decide who is and who isn't safe ?[/QUOTE]

That is up to the so called professionals to decide, until Social Services and Care Homes are up to scratch and you know full well that a vulnerable but possibly dangerous person is safe in their care then it's a no goer for me.
As for going back 20 years, I can go back a bit further than that and in playschool toy guns etc were banned so the kids made weapons out of lego.

[Sapphire]

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I go back that far too Di, remember those heady days when it was Cowboys v Indians, and we had sweet chewing tobacco, now its xxxx gang v xxx gang and whatever drugs they can stick in their veins, how times have changed eh.

[Bill-K]

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I agree that the gun laws in the US are too lax. I also agree that the idea of "Care in the Community" is little more than a con-trick to cut costs at the expense of the public and the patients. And I also agree that good parenting is a skill which is no longer being handed down - some of these damaged kids will be parents themselves eventually, and I fear the damage will multiply.

This is not a petition - it's a card for the survivors and families, if anyone would care to sign it:-

http://www.causes.com/actions/171531..._source=causes

[Sapphire]

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At that's now a good reason to pass a law that everyone should pass a test/exam whatever BEFORE they are allowed to reproduce, but it won't be done because the PC crowd will be crowing about human rights and all that sh ite.

Signed by the way.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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The gun laws are lax, but again we are at the point where I will say something contreversial,

Before I do, I am terrified of guns, I hate gore, if Mr R puts on band of brothers, I go upstairs and watch pooh bear on the kids tv, but:

A gun itself does not hurt anyone.
You can put a loaded gun on a table for 100 years, and it will not fire, you could swing an unloaded gun about your head for a week and the only person you would hurt is yourself, its the person on the other of the gun that is the problem. As a soceity, we are more comfortable seeing 2 men holding guns than holding hands, and I am willing to bet that we can all (myself included) think of a derogatory term for an immigrant or disabled person before we can think of a positive one.

Until we all start caring again, there will be Dunblane's and Newtons.

If someone reached out to the gunman a while ago this might not have happened.

Too many people know someone who is "a bit screwy" but ignores them. We all have had the nutter on the bus "I have a nuclear weapon look" *brings out the tin of peas*

There is more spent on viagra and breast implants (cosmetic, not post operative) then is spent on youth clubs, mental health research and parkinsons research! Something has to give, personally I think if everyone spoke a kind word to at least 2 people a day, than the world would be a happier, less scary place to live.

[enquirer]

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I expect that in due course, it will be revealed that the young man in question was on some form of psychiatric medication. The truth will only be whispered, lest it offend BigPharma and the gun-control lobby.

[Sapphire]

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There is more spent on viagra and breast implants (cosmetic, not post operative) then is spent on youth clubs, mental health research and parkinsons research!

Absolutely right and it needs to change.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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this is slightly unrelated I know but, my nephew William is an epileptic, he can have 7 fits a week poor little love, and his dads went out to the epilepsy clinic. A woman there said "Don't give him the medication, he doesn't need it, he will grow out of it!"
They live in Canada, and there is a culture there of "The drug manafacturers are trying to take over!"

I would be interested to find out, if this chap had a mental problem did his very educated, and no doubt well read, mother decide not to give him the medications incase the side effects hit him.

[labman]

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It should be pointed out that most with mental health issues are harmless, vulnerable people. As for locking people away if they pose a danger either to others, or to themselves - isn't that why people can be sectioned?

[Sapphire]

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I personally think that there is a massive difference between someone being 'sectioned' for the sake of their own health, ie: if they are for instance having a breakdown and hurting themselves and someone being placed in a secure environment because they could be of a danger to others as well as themselves.
Obviously we need proper regulation, sadly a lot of us know that help in these areas are no longer in place, I believe that we really do need to get help for those in need of help, instead of wasting money on treatments/research on issues that do not affect peoples well being and should be paid for privately.