General Election 2010 Thread

[dogtired]

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Off to vote later this afternoon.
Had a discussion on the bus back home as to what would happen if any of the leaders did not win in there own constituancys (sorry if spelt wrong):tinysmile_aha_t:

[EXC]

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Apparently on the news they are reporting a big turnout.

Not round my way, though I wasn't expecting throngs of people besieging Cholesbury Village Parish Hall, there were no other voters during the entire time I was there.

Not sure about having to use a pencil though. It's hardly vote rigging proof.

[orc]

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At that time, the Guatemalans were threatening to make moves on Belize and there was a rumour that the Spanish were rattling sabres towards Gibraltar, which they wanted back. We had to send a message to the world making it clear that, although a shadow of our former might, we were not ready to let the hyenas tear us apart just yet.

Cetelco

I had not forgotten your comments regarding Belize and thought this an opportune time to remind you of the manipulation of the Belize situation by Baron Ashcroft (who wanted to called himself Baron Ashcroft of Belize), Deputy Chairperson of the Conservatives.

It will be interesting to see how much scandal is attached to him, if the tories form the next government, as appears likely, if you believe opinion polls, which you don't.

As you probably know, he was born in Belize, holds dual UK nationality and pays no tax on his overseas earnings. He pays no taxes in Belize yet is the most influential person there and he's not even domeciled here.

His business interests in Belize were the real reason for UK military involvement there. Don't think the UK government gave a damn about the Belizeans. Ashcroft has donated and loaned millions to the Conservatives.

That was payment to the Tories for services rendered militarily in Belize. Our troops & their lives for his profit and business empire.

If we see a Conservative Government this time then we see a return to the Tory party tricks and scandals we were so used to during Thatcher, Major and under opposition leader Hague, who happens to be Ashcrofts little PAL.

[Guest]

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Cetelco

I had not forgotten your comments regarding Belize and thought this an opportune time to remind you of the manipulation of the Belize situation by Baron Ashcroft (who wanted to called himself Baron Ashcroft of Belize), Deputy Chairperson of the Conservatives.

It will be interesting to see how much scandal is attached to him, if the tories form the next government, as appears likely, if you believe opinion polls, which you don't.

As you probably know, he was born in Belize, holds dual UK nationality and pays no tax on his overseas earnings. He pays no taxes in Belize yet is the most influential person there and he's not even domeciled here.

His business interests in Belize were the real reason for UK military involvement there. Don't think the UK government gave a damn about the Belizeans. Ashcroft has donated and loaned millions to the Conservatives.

That was payment to the Tories for services rendered militarily in Belize. Our troops & their lives for his profit and business empire.

If we see a Conservative Government this time then we see a return to the Tory party tricks and scandals we were so used to during Thatcher, Major and under opposition leader Hague, who happens to be Ashcrofts little PAL.

Thank goodness Labour have been so squeaky clean then. Imagine how foolish you'd feel if they were not?

With regard to your comments concerning Lord Ashcroft, latest figures show that since 2001, Labour have taken over £10 million from eight reportedly ‘non-dom’ donors:

1. Lord Paul – £69,250 in donations to Labour, including £45,000 to Gordon Brown’s leadership campaign. A close friend of Gordon Brown and appointed to the Privy Council last summer, he has admitted to being ‘non-dom’.
2. Lakshmi Mittal - £4.125 million in donations to Labour.
3. Sir Ronald Cohen - £2.55 million in donations to Labour. Cohen was appointed chair of the Social Investment Taskforce, which was announced by the then Chancellor, Gordon Brown.
4. Sir Christopher Ondaatje - £1.7 million in donations to Labour.
5. Sir Gulam Noon - £532,826 in donations to Labour.
6. William Bollinger - £510,725 in donations to Labour.
7. Mahmoud Khayami - £985,000 in donations to Labour including £5,000 to Hazel Blears’ deputy leadership campaign. He has helped bankroll two flagship schools, one of which Gordon Brown opened and was personally thanked for a donation by Tony Blair.
8. Dr David Potter - £90,000 in a donation to Labour. He has previously delivered a lecture at Downing Street.

Now compare this with the donations from Lord Ashcroft's Bearwood company where in the last calendar year, donations to the Conservative Party amount to just one per cent of all donations – £329,859 donated out of £32,508,866 received by the Conservative Party (Source: Electoral Commission register).

Furthermore, since David Cameron became leader, less than five per cent of cash and in-kind donations have come from Bearwood Corporate Services, a company in which Lord Ashcroft has an interest. Since Q1 2006, Bearwood has donated £4,131,995 in cash and in-kind out of a total £90,723,018 donated to the Conservative Party in the same period (Source: Electoral Commission register).

Finally, your comments regarding the reason for military involvement in Belize are risible. British rule of British Honduras (as it was known) goes back to 1862, some considerable time before Lord Ashcroft was born, although in fact British Honduras had been governed as a dependency of the British colony of Jamaica since 1749. In 1945 (again, before Michael Ashcroft was born) Guatemala published a new constitution, which referred to British Honduras as an integral part of the State of Guatemala. At the time the only British military presence in the Caribbean was one infantry battalion stationed in Kingston Jamaica with one company detached to Bermuda under HQ Caribbean area. Then in late February 1948 the Guatemalans threatened to invade. The British Government ordered HQ Caribbean Area to dispatch troops, 2nd Battalion the Gloucestershire Regiment to the colony. Two companies from the Battalion landed in Belize City from HMS Devonshire on 2nd March. One company was deployed to the border and found no sign of a Guatemalan incursion but the threat was taken seriously and it was decided to station one company in Belize City permanently. At this time, Lord Ashcroft (or Michael as he would probably have been known then) was not quite two years old.

I know this will come as a terrible shock, but Gordon has been lying to you.

[orc]

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What makes you think I voted Labour Cetelco??

You seem pretty defensive of Ashcroft, someone who specifically targetted funding at key marginal constituencies. Why are foreign companies funding the Conservatives? Thats wrong in a democracy for any party to accept that kind of funding- any party.

Ashcroft has made personal donations in addition to Bearcroft and I believe through another company he owns.

He has more wealth than Belize itself and there are allegations he funded the opposition party to tune of $1million to enable it to assume power and bring in laws favourable to his business interests. It seems like a little personal fuedal empire in a completely tax free environment. He contributes nothing to this country and nothing to the people of Belize.

We will see scandal on a scale never before seen, about him and his interests, through time.

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What makes you think I voted Labour Cetelco??



Ashcroft has made personal donations

He didn't say you did vote Labour. I suspect he was referring to your novel belief that Brown is somehow honest.

And I don't think that Ashcroft, as a non UK citizen, is capable of making personal donations to a British politcal party - which is why he puts it through a company with UK interests - but I'm sure Cetelco can put us straight on that.

[Xena]

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"I suspect he was referring to your novel belief that Brown is somehow honest."

Still PMSL at that!

[natweststaffmember]

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I doubt any of us believe that any politician is actually honest, the question we ask ourselves is probably, how much we can stand of their dishonesty to vote for them.

[Sapphire]

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Well I actually queued for over 40 mins to vote, apparently its been busy all day. Anyways as its going to be so interesting I am seriously considering staying up all night and watching the results, won't be the first time I've done that either.

[natweststaffmember]

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Well I actually queued for over 40 mins to vote, apparently its been busy all day. Anyways as its going to be so interesting I am seriously considering staying up all night and watching the results, won't be the first time I've done that either.

I won't cos I have to get up early for work but I am sure I will catch up when my alarm wakes me up, lol

[WendyB]

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I voted before going to work this morning. There was no-one else in the Polling station apart from the staff but they were predicting a busy day. I am also tempted to stay up and watch the result, as I have the day off work tomorrow it won't matter if I'm yawning all day lol.

[Guest]

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What makes you think I voted Labour Cetelco??

You seem pretty defensive of Ashcroft, someone who specifically targetted funding at key marginal constituencies. Why are foreign companies funding the Conservatives? Thats wrong in a democracy for any party to accept that kind of funding- any party.

Ashcroft has made personal donations in addition to Bearcroft and I believe through another company he owns.

He has more wealth than Belize itself and there are allegations he funded the opposition party to tune of $1million to enable it to assume power and bring in laws favourable to his business interests. It seems like a little personal fuedal empire in a completely tax free environment. He contributes nothing to this country and nothing to the people of Belize.

We will see scandal on a scale never before seen, about him and his interests, through time.

Oh I don't know, was it the shrill defence of Labour coupled with the obvious envy typically associated with Labour supporters of anyone who has made any money for themselves or the continued pretence that Labour and in particular Gordon Brown have not made a complete pig's ear of the country?

Whether or not Lord Ashcroft has more money that Belize is none of my concern and I am not sure why it should be any of yours. He can do as he likes, it is his money after all.

Perhaps you would prefer that he did not found and continues to support CrimeStoppers, again with his own money? It must also vex you considerably that he has donated £10,000,000 to the University of Chelmsford's business school during the last ten years, in two £5,000,000 lump sums. In addition, he donated $1,000,000 to the Liberal Party of Australia and I just know how peeved that must make you. He gave £250,000 to Sentebale which was set up in 2006 by Prince Harry in memory of his mother Diana, Princess of Wales and Michael Ashcroft also supports education, health, arts and sports charities in the Caribbean and Central America through the Michael A Ashcroft Foundation. In 1993 he endowed The Ashcroft School in the Turks and Caicos Islands in the British West Indies and significant support has also been given in the UK to the NSPCC, the Victoria Cross and George Cross Association, the Disability Foundation, RAFT, Cliff Richard Tennis Foundation, The Stroke Society and in the US to The Carter Center and Cleveland Clinic.

I suspect you must be apoplectic by now, I mean, how on earth can he just give these people money? How dare he even have money?

As for his contributing nothing, I suggest you do some reading, in particular the announcement a few years ago that Lord Ashcroft is to leave most of his estimated £1.1 billion fortune to charity and which will make him one of the biggest philanthropists in British history.

As you say, he contributes nothing...

He didn't say you did vote Labour. I suspect he was referring to your novel belief that Brown is somehow honest.

And I don't think that Ashcroft, as a non UK citizen, is capable of making personal donations to a British politcal party - which is why he puts it through a company with UK interests - but I'm sure Cetelco can put us straight on that.

Correct, however, overseas residents can make donations to British political parties if they are made through British-registered companies that conduct most of their business in Britain and political donations made by Lord Ashcroft via Bearwood Corporate Services are fully permissible being in compliance in every respect with Section 54(2)(b) of the Political Parties, Elections & Referendums Act 2000.

Following a 14 month investigation The Electoral Commission ruled that all donations were "legal and permissible" including the personal donations made by him and his wife.

[Sapphire]

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Well thats it then peeps, they are now closed and there's nothing anyone can do to change the result.

[enaid]

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Well thats it then peeps, they are now closed and there's nothing anyone can do to change the result.

Well stanger things have happened, something has to be done about all the people who couldn't get to vote, even though they were at the right place at the right time.

[orc]

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