A father at age 13

Dad at 13 | Boy Alfie Patten, 13, becomes father of baby girl Maisie with girlfriend Chantelle Steadman, 15 | The Sun |News

[LuggerBugs]

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She's a real looker, I'll give him that. :cry:

(Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face. )

[Amy]

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There are so many things wrong with this situation it is impossible to list all of them.

Undoubtedly the majority of the care of this baby will fall to her grandparents. Quite how they can be entrusted with her care given that they have so catastrophically failed their own children, her parents, is beyond me.

No rules, no morals. "It is their right."

Except a 13 year old cannot make a choice such as this without repercussions of such a magnitude and without guidance, hence the situation we now have.

It shouldn't really come as a shock for anyone that voted Labour; erosion of morals, erosion of family values and promotion of liberalism and tolerance at every possible juncture.

End result: A nation on benefits and on their payroll.

Job done.

[Sapphire]

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I couldn't have put it better myself Amy, except to say that the sooner this country stops bailing out these people in the form of benefits the better.

[LuggerBugs]

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Amy, the care of the child may be EXPECTED to fall to the grandparents. But in the case of one couple, social services thank that the care of the children would be best served by placing them with a homosexual couple. I'm far from homophobic, but I do think that decision was wrong on so many levels...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-children.html

[enaid]

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Well he will have to get a paper round now, unless of course he wants to be a stay at home dad and she can get one.

[Amy]

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So do I. Except to say that Social Services have quite obviously not considered the children's care in the case you mentioned. They just need to tick all the diversity boxes.

Amy, the care of the child may be EXPECTED to fall to the grandparents. But in the case of one couple, social services thank that the care of the children would be best served by placing them with a homosexual couple. I'm far from homophobic, but I do think that decision was wrong on so many levels...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-children.html

[Mochamoo]

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Err are children eligilble (sp?) for child benefits? I listened to the interview he gave and they asked him what he would do financially to support his child... he wanted to know what "financially" was....


When I was younger the girl who lived next door to me gave birth to twins when she was 11, I dont remember how old the boyfriend was. I dont think that made the national press. - This was back in the days of Maggie Thatcher so I dont think the Labour party can be blamed for this 13 year playing Doctors and Nurses.

Anyway my point is that it is not right and it comes from ignorance. Sex education should be given at a younger age and should be more indepth. Parents should take responsibility for teaching their kids about the birds and the bees, at the end of the day the buck stops with the childs legal guardians. If they can not teach their child right from wrong then there is something fundamentally wrong with this country and I dont think political parties have anything to do with it. It is the "its not my problem" and "the government should have done it" attitute that seems to seep from every pore in this country.

At the end of the day if a person can not look after their own children or themselves without trying to pass the buck then how the heck are the gov meant to look after them?

People need to start taking responsibilty for themselves.



(Sorry for spelling grammer I am having a thick day lol feel free to correct me!)

[Amy]

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I don't agree that children should be given sex education earlier and in more depth. Children should be allowed to be children. There shouldn't be any need for children of this age to be taught about sex, it shouldn't concern them.

Lego should concern them, Xbox games should concern them, what they want in their packed lunch should concern them.

My youngest son is 10 years old, only 2 years younger than this child when they conceived this baby and I would not allow my son to receive sex education at his age should his school suggest it. He is too young to understand.

My point about the Labour government is that this 13 year old boy fathering a child is now fast becoming the norm, whereas the 11 year old girl next door to you was extraordinary at the time and in all probability the story didn't make the press because of the shame an 11 year old having sex and producing children would bring.

When there are no morals, no boundaries and no consequences there is no responsibility and therefore only acceptance.

What on earth will come of this generation, made up of lots of little Masies, when all that has been imparted to them is the wisdom that comes of 13 years experience?

[Sapphire]

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I don't agree that children should be given sex education earlier and in more depth. Children should be allowed to be children. There shouldn't be any need for children of this age to be taught about sex, it shouldn't concern them.
I'm sure at that age we all we were taught at school was Biology and that took in reproduction. I remember being in a mixed class and being shown a film on menstruation and the tittering from both sides when sanitary towels etc were passed round the class. We were also given a very short talk about the use of condoms.

Lego should concern them, Xbox games should concern them, what they want in their packed lunch should concern them.
Exactly kids should be allowed to be kids, they should be playing with toys and not worrying about their size or what the latest fashion is.

My youngest son is 10 years old, only 2 years younger than this child when they conceived this baby and I would not allow my son to receive sex education at his age should his school suggest it. He is too young to understand.

My point about the Labour government is that this 13 year old boy fathering a child is now fast becoming the norm, whereas the 11 year old girl next door to you was extraordinary at the time and in all probability the story didn't make the press because of the shame an 11 year old having sex and producing children would bring.
Those kids should be under a supervision order or something and their parents should be brought before a court of law for allowing this to happen.

When there are no morals, no boundaries and no consequences there is no responsibility and therefore only acceptance. Exactly it does boil down to morals and that fact that they are not instilled in youngsters anymore. I can remember mum and dad telling me constantly 'don't bring trouble back to our door'.
Nowadays we have the benefit culture and the attitude 'have kids and let the country pay to keep us'.
Whilst the rest of us pay taxes to keep these people, they are sitting on their backsides doing sod all to contribute to this country.
We need to go back and stop 'rewarding' them, and as in America say 'If you can't feed them don't breed them'.

What on earth will come of this generation, made up of lots of little Masies, when all that has been imparted to them is the wisdom that comes of 13 years experience?

I heard on tv the other day that there is a great percentage of fathers bringing up children that they don't even know if they are theirs or not.
Whats going to happen in years to come that biological brothers and sisters could meet and have children and we will end up with inbreeding.

The trouble with all this though is there are the genuine amongst us who have worked hard and paid our taxes, the divorcee's and widows who through not fault of their own will need help in the form of benefits, and eventually there will not be enough money in the pot because it will have all been taken up by the likes of the families of these kids who have become parents. Thats the sadness of it all their selfishness will affect everyone eventually.

Just my humble opinion, please don't shoot me for it.

[Emerald]

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So do I. Except to say that Social Services have quite obviously not considered the children's care in the case you mentioned. They just need to tick all the diversity boxes.

The childrens care would have been considered at every level in this case. The whole story is one sided.
Social workers do not place children with diversity as the main priority.
Social workers make recommendations to courts in conjunction with the childrens guardians, and the judge makes the final decision.
The grnadparents in this case were obvioulsy unsuitable to care for the children from quite some time ago as they have been with foster carers for over a year before the adoption. The grandparents were happy for the adoption, until they found out it was to be a gay couple, where they went to the Daily Mail with their 'concerns' and dragged the adoptive parents through an unwarranted and unneccasary smear campaign, not just for these individuals but for all gay couples.

[LuggerBugs]

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The childrens care would have been considered at every level in this case. The whole story is one sided.
Social workers do not place children with diversity as the main priority.
Social workers make recommendations to courts in conjunction with the childrens guardians, and the judge makes the final decision.
The grnadparents in this case were obvioulsy unsuitable to care for the children from quite some time ago as they have been with foster carers for over a year before the adoption. The grandparents were happy for the adoption, until they found out it was to be a gay couple, where they went to the Daily Mail with their 'concerns' and dragged the adoptive parents through an unwarranted and unneccasary smear campaign, not just for these individuals but for all gay couples.

I understand where you are coming from. But I cannot in my wildest imaginings contemplate ever being convinced either that gay couples should ever be allowed to adopt chidren and become a "proper" family, or that to place children into such a situation could ever be in their best interests.

I accept that I could be wrong. But I'm prepared to live with that. I'm just an old fashioned kinda guy that happens to think that the genders were designed in such a way as to complement each other and thus ensure the human race continues. Until such time as poking your member up another guy's bum ensures the survival of the human race, I'm afraid I'll always consider that those who engage in such activity have no right, morally or otherwise, to having children.

Sorry to be crude, but it makes me angry to think that some folks are denied the right to adopt for stupid reasons such as being smokers or too old, but it's apparently perfectly acceptable to pander to the whims of the PC brigade.

OOPS. Now I've come over all politically incorrect. :tinysmile_aha_t:

[Sapphire]

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Found this on the interweb I think this guy makes a few good points News About A 13-Year Old Father Should Not Have Been Reported. It Suits The | Stirring Trouble Internationally - A humorous take on news and current affairs | Stirring Trouble Internationally provides an witty, alternative viewpoint on todays news stories and current affairs. Funny, informative, and occasionally controversial.

[Amy]

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Emerald, I admire your trust in the social workers given the publicity from cases recently, but I'm with Lugger; the grandparents have every right to be upset about their grandchildren being adopted by a gay couple as by definition gay couples cannot have children.

That aside, this thread is about the 13 year old fathering a child.

[LuggerBugs]

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At the risk of straying totally off topic now (Sorree Amy), I see Dale Winton is on the telly again. Well, a BIT OT since it's strayed into gay territory again.

I had to chuckle last week when one of the questions was, Which planet is closest to the sun...

I can't help but feel the contestant deliberately threw away the chance of a fortune just to get a cheap laugh. I'll bet it's not the first time Dale has said, "Do you want me to take Uranus as your answer?"