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Hbos Have Broken Waiver Rules

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    James Coney, Daily Mail
    23 July 2008

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    A major High Street bank has broken the terms of the legal waiver that allowed it to put all overdraft charge complaints on hold.


    Below the belt: Bank of Scotland sent on debt collectors over a customer's unpaid bank charges

    Under the legal waiver drawn up by City watchdog the Financial Services Authority (FSA), banks have been given permission to put on hold all bank charge complaints until their court case with the Office of Fair Trading has been resolved.
    But they are not allowed to close a customer's account or do anything that adversely affects their complaint.
    Bank of Scotland had admitted that the account was 'accidentally' sold to a debt collection agency and that, under the terms of the waiver, this should not have happened.
    The customer, who does not want to be named, had sought a refund of £2,113.27 worth of bank charges in December 2006. The complaint had been acknowledged, and he and the Bank of Scotland had exchanged a series of letters.
    When the OFT court case was announced, the customer's complaint, like thousands of others, was put on ice. He had dipped overdrawn by just a small amount - £40. On the back of this, charges mounted.
    Bank of Scotland charges £35 for bouncing or paying a cheque or transaction if you are beyond your overdraft limit. It also charges £28 a time for dipping into the red.
    He was soon in financial difficulty as charges started to be imposed on charges - pushing him further into the red. By the time he was told of the waiver, he was almost £1,000 over his £1,250 authorised overdraft.
    He stopped paying his salary into his current account as it was only enough to cover the bank charges. Last month, he received a further letter from the Bank of Scotland stating: 'As previously agreed with the Financial Ombudsman Service and FSA, customer complaints relating to unarranged overdraft charges will remain on hold.'
    However, Bank of Scotland then cancelled his authorised overdraft.
    On July 8, CapQuest Debt Recovery wrote stating that his White Label Current Account 'together with others' had been 'sold' and that it had been appointed to 'manage your account in all matters relating to collection and litigation'.
    It also stated: 'Legal action will increase the amount you owe and may have a detrimental effect on your credit worthiness.'
    Under the FSA waiver, current accounts still run in the normal way - you can still incur unauthorised overdraft charges and the actual account is not frozen. This has confused many.
    Reclaim bank charges
    While this is made clear on the websites of most banks, many have not explicitly said it in letters.
    Rule 13 of the waiver states firms should not: 'Close accounts or threaten closure of accounts of customers for the purpose (or with the intent) of penalising customers that have complained about unauthorised overdraft charges, or deterring future complaints from these customers or others.'
    Money Mail has handed the details of the case to the FSA. It could not comment on this specific example.
    A spokesman for the FSA said: 'We cannot interfere with these charges as their fairness and lawfulness is currently being contested, and as yet we have no resolution.'
    A spokesman from the Bank of Scotland admitted that a mistake had been made and that the account would be bought back from the debt collectors. It was also investigating whether other customers had accidentally had their accounts sold.


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    Re: Hbos Have Broken Waiver Rules

    Interesting. First Direct withdrew all of my banking facilities back in October 2007. They too appeared to have sold my debt on as I received a letter from a DCA (Metropolitan Collection Services I think they were) who threatened legal action in the same way as above.

    My pleas both to Metropolitan and First Direct that the account was in dispute and therefore could not be pursued in this way fell on deaf ears. It was not until I complained to the FOS about their actions that anything was done. The FOS issued FD and Metropolitan with a 'back-off' letter on my behalf. Metropolitan even wrote to me to apologise. First Direct however, did not.

    Now it seems that First Direct should have been penalised for this action (I know the same happened to many other FD and HSBC customers because the FOS told me so), but FD / HSBC were not penalised/fined in any way as far as I am aware.

    As I have said in another thread, this just shows how toothless the FSA really are and that they will pander to every whim of the banks.

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    • #3
      Re: Hbos Have Broken Waiver Rules

      Blimey - the bank admitted it ! Well sideways barge.

      Cheers Tutts - lets see if the FSA do anything.


      Abbey have sold mine to westcot who have written saying they intend court action in 7 days. Despite Abbey and Westcot being away the amount is all charges and in dispute.

      I'm sure thousands and thousands of accounts have been passed on in this way.
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      • #4
        Re: Hbos Have Broken Waiver Rules

        love that last line "It was also investigating whether other customers had accidentally had their accounts sold."
        think they better sit down then ...... bound to be a few
        pmsl

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        • #5
          Re: Hbos Have Broken Waiver Rules

          My Yorkshire Bank account passed to numerous collection agents. "Coming to your house" etc etc. Have also registered a default against me on the CRA`s for the same.
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          • #6
            Re: Hbos Have Broken Waiver Rules

            Also HSBC have also closed accounts during the waiverl. We are still addressing this one.... watch this space.

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            • #7
              Re: Hbos Have Broken Waiver Rules

              Whether or not the bank involved have admitted doing things wrongly, I don't think it's for the reason that This is Money states.

              The waiver rule stating that:
              firms should not: 'Close accounts or threaten closure of accounts of customers for the purpose (or with the intent) of penalising customers that have complained about unauthorised overdraft charges, or deterring future complaints from these customers or others.'
              isn't talking about closure of accounts because they are in default. It's talking about closure of accounts which are being run perfectly well, as a "punishment" for those who reclaim charges. A number of banks were doing this routinely on the grounds that the relationship with the customer had broken down if they were prepared to take them to court for charge refunds.

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