Better late than never, I suppose!?

[MissFM]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

guess you're an old fox then too GT

[gravytrain]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

guess you're an old fox then too GT

Not so much of the old if you don't mind.

Seriously though party politics aside you can only address your concerns to the party in power, whoever they are, unless you want to await an election before anything is done.

[MissFM]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

IMHO all politicians are to blame so I do not feel that blaming one party over another achieves anything. I also think that very few politicians know what it is like to live on or below the poverty line. Society is polarising into not necessarily the haves and have nots but into the decent and the underclass. The politicians have no idea what the country is like , food banks in 2013 in the western world, for crying out loud
It is hard to remember that there are good people out there, but there are.
I am far from perfect (hard as that is to believe :rofl but every week I have to listen to people who think it is acceptable, nay essential to deal drugs or otherwise break the law just have the standard of living that they want.
I am helping to clear a garden in a reasonably affluent part of leicester where the owner had died. He had two children yet the house was not just like the houses you saw in a life of grime but there is a 100ft+ garden that needs clearing from brambles, ruins of old greenhouses etc. He may well have been a solitary old person but we have become so PC that no one will do what is needed to help these people. Social services will not help unless the person asks for help, the world has gone mad

I so agree with you Jon - why should any young person - who can make a couple of hundred quid in an hour by dealing drugs (which are completely available anyway although allegedly illegal - go anywhere in our local town and tell me it's different) take a slave-labour job for minimum wage and yadda yadda yadda. We need to be more honest in our society and stop spinning.

[MissFM]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

Not so much of the old if you don't mind.

Seriously though party politics aside you can only address your concerns to the party in power, whoever they are, unless you want to await an election before anything is done.

OK - a young silver fox then

[MissFM]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

Not so much of the old if you don't mind.

Seriously though party politics aside you can only address your concerns to the party in power, whoever they are, unless you want to await an election before anything is done.

Of course - but it seems to never change - it's all about money, which is an abstract

[MissFM]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

"the world has gone mad" (jon1965)

Indeed it has

[gravytrain]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

Old news I know

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...ministers.html

A Cabinet source privately admitted that “moneymaking” was a key goal of this year’s conference, with companies paying thousands for exhibition stands and events. Controversially, business executives were charged £1,250 for face-to-face meetings with ministers at which they were invited to help “develop” business-friendly policies. Wonga confirmed it had sent a representative to meetings with ministers from the Department for Business and the Treasury.

[FlamingParrot]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

Stinks doesn't it? Another truly horrible aspect is that they employ other vulnerable people as debt collectors (not bailiffs, I don't think - that's different) but I do know of some very vulnerable people, otherwise unemployable, on a minimum wage (or commission!) who are employed by such ........(can't think of a word) to go from door to door collecting crumbs of debt from people who can't afford it - who have nothing - sorry need to take a cold shower now

Mistaking debt collectors for bailiffs is one of the biggest problems for people in debt, unless you've been reading forums like this, most won't know the difference, and will assume the guy knocking on his door is there to take away their possessions. Most people (even educated ones), haven't got a clue about the process involved, the need to go to court and get a CCJ before bailiffs can be sent, even then, it's unusual to get bailiffs for unsecured debts even with a CCJ.

DCAs take advantage of the fact that there are some debts which can be collected using by bailiffs without the process above, such as council tax and fines. The average punter just doesn't know the difference, if they did, they wouldn't default on their council tax for the sake of paying back Wonga! There's this idea of paying the one who shouts the loudest, even when that debt should be at the very bottom of a 1000 page-long list!

Not surprisingly DCAs employ the unemployable to act as debt collectors, who in their right mind would chose to do such a job?

Yes GT - and I thanked for the wonderful logo and out of my deep respect for you and your opinions - but party politics are not the answer and they all (all political parties) have let our society down. This woman, attractive though she may be, does not provide any answer IMVHO

Indeed, there's very little difference between the parties these days, it was LABOUR who allowed the banks to get away with murder leading up to the cri$i$ in 2008, it was them who let property prices inflate artificially. When you need shared ownership schemes and your parents' savings to buy your first home, it's an indication that house prices are not at the level they should be in relation to average earnings! :nono:

I have followed Stella#s campaign for the last four or five years, to be honest I take no interest in the politics, I am quite happy to support anyone who takes the trouble to take these people on. The problem does involve government unfortunately, as must the solution, these firms spend a fortune on lobbyists many of the major investors have strong links with members of both houses, and all parties.

She is a bit of a fox though you are right.

...and most politicians are in bed with the infamou$ F $ector! :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: No-one wants to 'upset the City' :groan: :groan: :groan:

[jon1965]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

As an aside
One way, IMHO to reduce crime would be to licence drugs. Make them obtainable from controlled premises at a controlled price and controlled purity. One of the buzzes that some addicts get is the fact it is illegal to buy the drugs..so it gives them a thrill.

I am no fan of drugs, I have first hand family experience of what heroin can do and friends from school days who are probably dead by now. I also believe that pot in excess causes paranoia...seen it in my stepson...when he wasn't on glue or worse so I do actually know something about this. One of my old CCJ's was where I borrowed money off a bank to bail him out and stop him getting his legs broken or worse...I even knocked on a door and passed an envelope saying "this is form Simon"

[gravytrain]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

As an aside
One way, IMHO to reduce crime would be to licence drugs. Make them obtainable from controlled premises at a controlled price and controlled purity. One of the buzzes that some addicts get is the fact it is illegal to buy the drugs..so it gives them a thrill.

I am no fan of drugs, I have first hand family experience of what heroin can do and friends from school days who are probably dead by now. I also believe that pot in excess causes paranoia...seen it in my stepson...when he wasn't on glue or worse so I do actually know something about this. One of my old CCJ's was where I borrowed money off a bank to bail him out and stop him getting his legs broken or worse...I even knocked on a door and passed an envelope saying "this is form Simon"

Scares me to death when I think about the world my grand children are growing up in. It is probably the ,"tinted glasses" syndrome but things seemed so much simpler when i was little, we didn't have half as much, but we seemed to be happier with less somehow.

[jon1965]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

I know what you mean, I have no kids (thank god) but I do have a nephews and nieces aged from 19 to 7 (oops I think) and yes i agree. The eldest is at Uni and is either a good lad or hides it very well. I was talking to my Mum the other day and I really do think it is true, tough as the 70's were it was a better time. Ok so they had less money, there was price watch (who remembers those red triangles in shop windows) power cuts and the three day week, three TV channels and no TV in the morning, afternoon or late at night but still somehow better, more innocent and happier. Kids played outside in the evening . Twas different when I were a lad lol
Of course we all thought we were going to die in a nuclear war so maybe that wasn't so good

[FlamingParrot]

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As an aside
One way, IMHO to reduce crime would be to licence drugs. Make them obtainable from controlled premises at a controlled price and controlled purity. One of the buzzes that some addicts get is the fact it is illegal to buy the drugs..so it gives them a thrill.

...and tax them! :grin:

Yes, it could well work, but people will always argue that they are illegal for a reason and that one day they the government will win the war on drugs and they will no longer be available. Of course that day will be the 30th of February... :lol:

I am no fan of drugs, I have first hand family experience of what heroin can do and friends from school days who are probably dead by now. I also believe that pot in excess causes paranoia...seen it in my stepson...when he wasn't on glue or worse so I do actually know something about this. One of my old CCJ's was where I borrowed money off a bank to bail him out and stop him getting his legs broken or worse...I even knocked on a door and passed an envelope saying "this is form Simon"

I have also seen it in other people...

Scares me to death when I think about the world my grand children are growing up in. It is probably the ,"tinted glasses" syndrome but things seemed so much simpler when i was little, we didn't have half as much, but we seemed to be happier with less somehow.

The way things are going, the next generation will have even less!

[MissFM]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

As an aside
One way, IMHO to reduce crime would be to licence drugs. Make them obtainable from controlled premises at a controlled price and controlled purity. One of the buzzes that some addicts get is the fact it is illegal to buy the drugs..so it gives them a thrill.

I am no fan of drugs, I have first hand family experience of what heroin can do and friends from school days who are probably dead by now. I also believe that pot in excess causes paranoia...seen it in my stepson...when he wasn't on glue or worse so I do actually know something about this. One of my old CCJ's was where I borrowed money off a bank to bail him out and stop him getting his legs broken or worse...I even knocked on a door and passed an envelope saying "this is form Simon"

Couldn't agree more with this. We all know what a huge problem drugs are and our streets are awash with all sorts of dubious chemicals (poisons) and the criminal gangs that control their use and sale, often with knives and guns, and nearly always with impunity. If we as a society acknowledged this - if drugs were legal and sensibly monitored - then at least people would know what they were taking and "experimenting" would not result in automatic criminality including being subsumed into the world of criminal gangs and intimidation.

[MissFM]

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I know what you mean, I have no kids (thank god) but I do have a nephews and nieces aged from 19 to 7 (oops I think) and yes i agree. The eldest is at Uni and is either a good lad or hides it very well. I was talking to my Mum the other day and I really do think it is true, tough as the 70's were it was a better time. Ok so they had less money, there was price watch (who remembers those red triangles in shop windows) power cuts and the three day week, three TV channels and no TV in the morning, afternoon or late at night but still somehow better, more innocent and happier. Kids played outside in the evening . Twas different when I were a lad lol
Of course we all thought we were going to die in a nuclear war so maybe that wasn't so good

60s were better!:hippie:

[Inca]

Re: Better late than never, I suppose!?

Each generation will look back fondly at 'the good old days'...I can and do,,but I remember the cacky bits too,,the miners strike,,the power cuts..the Falklands war (being terrified my brother would be called up) MaggieMania...etc
Re drugs.....none of my large family have/had a problem with illegal substances....the 'choice' that has blighted us is alcohol,,it has ripped through us like a tornado and it's legal(age restrictions notwithstanding)