Sir Fred Goodwin is not a banker

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The Super Injunction Blog: Judges stay firm on Goodwins mistress

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BBC News - Sir Fred Goodwin injunction not lifted

Ridiculous!

No evidence of any public interest???

[Garlok]

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John Hemming is correct. The judges are also trying to restrict our fundamental right to access Hansard. One has therefore to question the reasons behind this.

Surely they are not so stupid, arrogant or so far out of touch in these days of instant information as to believe they can get away with it?

I have said it before and will say it again, Goodwin deserves everything that is thrown at him and should in my opinion be stripped of his title. His activities have brought further disrepute and an already dishonoured system.

I did not realise that he was a book keeper for Touche Ross. Were they not involved in some irregularity some years ago?

regards
Garlok

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Why is this chap not behind bars!. Goodwin presided over an institution that cooked the books which is a criminal offense is it not?.

ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND CAUGHT COOKING BOOKS WITH FICTITIOUS LOANS AND ASSETS

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Sir Fred Goodwin injunction: RBS chief's sexual relationship on eve of £45bn collapse | Mail Online

Sir Fred Goodwin injunction: High Court urged to lift secrecy cloaking affair | Mail Online

[Garlok]

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Thanks for lightening the mood CC.

In answer to one of your queries, yes there are lists of transgressors published in Freemasonry Today, the in house rag, which gives details of those brothers whose fraternal benefits have been withdrawn. The last one I read was the one in which Lord Northampton gave a blistering rebuke to critics on the subject of the Book of Revelation being the happy hunting ground of conspiracy theorists.

Well all I can say Fred is beware of the pale horse:-- "and behold I saw a pale horse and the name of him that sat upon it was Death followed by hell"

regards
Garlok

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Although I will ask you this.... why is it that the Salvation Army preach against alcohol and are so against the demon drink, yet it is they who visit pubs selling the War Cry and raising money for their charity?

Hmmmmmm...... I've never been able to work that one out.

Perhaps that's their Commando division?

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No CC I have NOT and AM NOT! However as my family is steeped in the tradition (and still are) I know far too much for my own good about this organisation. Right thro Craft (Blue Lodge) European esoteric, Chapter, Knights Templar, The Order of St John of Malta (Hospitallers), Rosicrucians etc etc.

Although I only advanced as far as RA, my late father was in all of the above and Mark Masons too; one of my sponsors in the Craft is/was 33' and a member of Quatuor Coronati.

What I am aware of are Masons who are concerned about the abuses and I am also aware of Masons who now insist on the words of the OLD oath being used in initiation rites which include the words "any ordinance of the land" and not the more modern version which gives them a get out clause for fellow member transgressors.

Do you have any evidence of Masons suffering even a radical glossectomy for having violated their obligations? I'm sure that, had any been sawn in twain, at least one paragraph might have been published somewhere.

I am not a catholic either, but it should be noted that John F Kennedy made a speech in 1961, not long before his assassination which referred to this "odious organisation" having no place in modern civilised society.

Have you been cleared by the UGLE Supreme Council to reveal who really shot JFK and why?

No organised Christian Church (including the Anglicans) has found compatibility with christian ethics in it and that is despite the fact that the God of the Rosicrucians must be a christian God yet freemasonry in itself allows for any god (a member must want to be freemason, must be of sound body and mind, and must be believe in a god any god).

That is not entirely accurate, as Pastafarians are not accepted. Nor are Satanists or Santa-ists, for that matter.

For the more politically minded is it not strange that a"deal" has been done between the Catholic church (Opus Dei) and the Masonic movement after centuries of implaccable enmity?

Not really, as it was merely logical for the Papists to surrender a fight they could not possibly win. Just look at the deal the Vatican agreed with the Russian kakistocracy.

[Garlok]

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Thank you Sapphy.

Sorry I couldn't get back immediately we have been struggling with BT internet and Yahoo mail all day.

Whilst I would disagree with the philosophy you hold dear, I would defend your right to my last breath to have the freedom to hold it and to belong to any legitimate organisation you wished as long as it does not harm others. Another part of the Masonic creed I think you will find.

best regards
Garlok

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Unfortunately AC " Society of Secrets" is perhaps a much wider issue than the narrow field we have been discussing. We probably live entirely within one. I have my cynical hat on for a few days now if you notice.

regards
Garlok

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Thanks for that AC, I think we are and were trying to explain the probable reason for the ease with which Goodwin's misdeameanours were covered up. Unfortunately the subject becomes very deep.
regards
Garlok

A society of secrets, Garlock...

One can only hope that if the injunction is lifted and that the FSA do their job properly. We may learn about all the misdemeanors that, have been covered up.

The people of this country have a right to know!
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Thank you for a brilliant discussion Garlock you say it is not policy for me to reply in the proper way, I say basically I don't want to give out any more information than I already have and hope now that we can put this discussion to bed and respect each others opinions and as AC says go back on topic.

Although I will ask you this.... why is it that the Salvation Army preach against alcohol and are so against the demon drink, yet it is they who visit pubs selling the War Cry and raising money for their charity?

Hmmmmmm...... I've never been able to work that one out.

[Garlok]

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Thanks for that AC, I think we are and were trying to explain the probable reason for the ease with which Goodwin's misdeameanours were covered up. Unfortunately the subject becomes very deep.

Perhaps we should look at which golf club he is a member instead and what lawyers also play there.

regards
Garlok

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Yes I did know about the female sectors of freemasonry. There are dedicated female craft lodges in the UK and some mixed lodges. Plus there is Eastern Star and Jobs Daughters if you want to be specific. Eastern Star being more active in the Southern Hemisphere.

Knights templar preceptories are to be seen in several places, not least is the Inner Temple. More famous shall we say for its legal connections. Yes?

Like I said Sapphy, my family is steeped in it. It has divided our family for many years. Lies have been told and looking back the very worst things that have been heaped upon me have been by Masonic liars like the orthopaedic surgeon who boasts on the net of his masonic achievements but is a very dangerous liar andI am vindicated by the appalling deaths at Satfford Hospital. Or is it OK that his lies by not preventing what was going on resulted in the deaths of 1250 people? Is that what freemasonry is about? That is just for starters.

Why in the depths of the Anglican Church, warned off by the Duke of Kent from fully publishing the findings of their investigation into the theology of Freemasonry, is there a "rite" or special prayers to fully release a freeamson from his vows and oaths. Can I respectfully suggest therefore that you read, as a freemason yourself, the writings of Albert Pike. One tome of his is recognised as the leading authority on freemasonry creed. He was a lifelong freemason by the way.

Do you subscribe to the modern wording in your vows or the original and correct version which contains "all ordinances of the land"? As I said there are those who are concerned at the abuses and who have pretty senior provincial honours as well as being in the higher or more correctly alternative echelons of Chapter, Templars, Hospitallers, Rose Croix and the like.

Please tell me why the Salvation Army is so bitterly opposed to freemasonry if it is as harmless as claimed.

You asked why freemasonry is to blame or more correctly in my view why it is perceived to be to blame is the power of the Masonic banking families to create or destroy nations and their peoples, phrases like Son of the Dawn, prince of light start to creep into ritual, a definition I'm afraid of Lucifer. You unfortunately have trotted out the trite response which is actually standard for the time.

Can I respectfully suggest to improve your knowlege of a very deep subject and to what you have got into you also read the Adam Wieshaupt material that is easily available. More difficult is the material continued in a very old book called "Heresies Uncovered" which you may find on the shelves of secondhand bookshops. Usually very dusty.

Please tell me why it has suddenly become expedient to do the "deal" with the Roman Catholic Church. Is it because of increasing influence of Opus Dei in the upper echelons of the western world's Revenue departments?

I have tried to explain why the perception exists but I know it is policy for you not to respond in a proper way. However if you cannot understand the influence that is being exerted I will never get it across will I.

regards
Garlok

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Apologies for off topic content but JFK was assassinated in November 1963 and the speech was made to the American Newspapers Publishers Association in April 1961 which was at the start of his Presidency. The title of the speech was "The President and the Press"
The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, April 27, 1961 - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum


The above has the full text of that speech which might give a little bit of context to the quote which is misquoted many times by many people to suggest he was talking about Masons, etc, etc, clearly he wasn't.

JFK, was a Roman Catholic, as am I.
Good Catholics Should Not be Masons - International - Catholic Online

Anyhow, hopefully we can all get back to the main topic of this thread:
Fred Goodwin and RBS