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  • #16
    Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

    Section 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4
    (2)
    The notice must—
    (a)

    specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;
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    • #17
      Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

      Hi further to the last update in my thread is it advisable I write / email BW Legal or continue to ignore? I've copied info below - can you advise ? Sorry for long post, explanations for lack of understanding previously given.


      Last post
      ( "That NTK appears to me that it does not conform to POFA, at a quick glance 9 (2) (f) is missing (unless it is stated on the reverse), period of parking (not time between cameras, Date of posting, no creditor identified and therefore the keeper cannot be held liable. There is no basis in law that the keeper can be assumed to be the driver.


      BW legal are not permitted to add on additional legal costs as this would, if pursued, be on the small claims track and that is not allowed.


      If the missing items aren't on the back of the NTK then write to BWL pointing out that you, he keeper cannot be held liable for the actions of the driver as the Notice to Keeper did not comply with the mandated requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4, namely but not limited to, failure to include paragraph 9 (2) (f). Any further action by them would be considered vexatious and further use of your personal data now that there can be no liability would be in breach of the Data Protection Act.


      You note the statement about keeper being held liable on the assumption that they were the driver. Could you define which portion of legislation permits this. If your clients intend to rely on Elliot v Loake this was a criminal case with compelling forensic evidence which has been rejected many times in parking cases. Unless, of course, you have that compelling forensic evidence." quote)


      My Letter to BW Legal ( or do i do in an email) ??
      Date: ??


      Name of keeper of vehicle
      Address 1
      Address 2
      Address 3


      BW Legal Enterprise House
      Apex View
      Leeds
      West Yorkshire
      LS11 9BH


      Dear sir / Madam


      I, the keeper cannot be held liable for the actions of the driver as the Notice to Keeper did not comply with the mandated requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4, namely but not limited to, failure to include paragraph 9 (2) (f). Any further action by them would be considered vexatious and further use of your personal data now that there can be no liability would be in breach of the Data Protection Act.


      You note the statement about keeper being held liable on the assumption that they were the driver. Could you define which portion of legislation permits this. If your clients intend to rely on Elliot v Loake this was a criminal case with compelling forensic evidence which has been rejected many times in parking cases. Unless, of course, you have that compelling forensic evidence." quote).


      Yours sincerely


      Name of Keeper

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      • #18
        Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

        There is little point in sending it.
        You are well outside the 21 days window for an internal appeal (ie appeal to the parking company) & an appeal to IAS requires an internal appeal to be made first.

        The BWL letter is not a compliant Letter before Claim. It is only a letter designed to scare folks into paying up by invoking the threat of a possible court claim.
        If the parking co wish to continue, they must (or should) inform you of their intent & engage in a proper pre action negotiation with you before issuing any court claim.
        CAVEAT LECTOR

        This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

        You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
        Cohen, Herb


        There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
        gets his brain a-going.
        Phelps, C. C.


        "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
        The last words of John Sedgwick

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        • #19
          Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

          Thank you for that, I was bracing myself before I logged. This whole thing is causing me to get anxious but need to ride it out now. What is the worst case scenario do you think that can happen? Also if when (probably) we receive further communication from them I'll need to check in here because I just haven't got the confidence (and health) at the moment, to understand what I have to do. I darent ask if you think they will issue a court claim because I'm very nervous about the answer, so what is a pre action negotiation? I hope it's okay that I keep asking for guidance, I just need walking through this to keep me from getting over anxious. I am very grateful for this site and your help, don't know what I would have done otherwise.

          Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
          There is little point in sending it.
          You are well outside the 21 days window for an internal appeal (ie appeal to the parking company) & an appeal to IAS requires an internal appeal to be made first.

          The BWL letter is not a compliant Letter before Claim. It is only a letter designed to scare folks into paying up by invoking the threat of a possible court claim.
          If the parking co wish to continue, they must (or should) inform you of their intent & engage in a proper pre action negotiation with you before issuing any court claim.

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          • #20
            Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

            A new Civil Procedure Rules Pre Action Protocol for debt claims (against individual consumers) came into force on 1st October this year.
            Firms have to jump through many more hoops than previously in order to issue court claims.
            The new process is designed with out-of-court negotiation in mind.
            CAVEAT LECTOR

            This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

            You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
            Cohen, Herb


            There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
            gets his brain a-going.
            Phelps, C. C.


            "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
            The last words of John Sedgwick

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            • #21
              Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

              Thanks for that update. I guess I will have to wait then till the next move and then ask again for advice. Thank you, much aporeciated.



              Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
              A new Civil Procedure Rules Pre Action Protocol for debt claims (against individual consumers) came into force on 1st October this year.
              Firms have to jump through many more hoops than previously in order to issue court claims.
              The new process is designed with out-of-court negotiation in mind.

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              • #22
                Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

                I am guessing that the period of parking (duration) shown on the Notice to Keeper equates to the ANPR entry & exit captures & thus is a fairly long period?
                CAVEAT LECTOR

                This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                Cohen, Herb


                There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                gets his brain a-going.
                Phelps, C. C.


                "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                The last words of John Sedgwick

                Comment


                • #23
                  Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

                  Hi, yes it does relate to the duration, similar length of duration on both the Saturday and the Sunday. Does that in any way affect where the keeper goes from here or does the keeper still wait to see how they next respond being as none of their correspondence has ever been replied to? Do you recommend anything else or just sit tight?


                  Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
                  I am guessing that the period of parking (duration) shown on the Notice to Keeper equates to the ANPR entry & exit captures & thus is a fairly long period?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

                    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....rlton-11121699
                    CAVEAT LECTOR

                    This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                    Cohen, Herb


                    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                    gets his brain a-going.
                    Phelps, C. C.


                    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                    The last words of John Sedgwick

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

                      Thank you for that, much appreciated. Presume I still wait for further communication from them?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

                        If it were me I'd go & take a look at the existing layout of the car park if poss.

                        Are there still 2 entrys & 2 exits?
                        CAVEAT LECTOR

                        This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                        You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                        Cohen, Herb


                        There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                        gets his brain a-going.
                        Phelps, C. C.


                        "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                        The last words of John Sedgwick

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

                          I'll take a look and come back with the information, thanks again.


                          Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
                          If it were me I'd go & take a look at the existing layout of the car park if poss.

                          Are there still 2 entrys & 2 exits?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

                            Since i last posted we are due to revisit the car park this relates to check entrances and exits, I will be doing this tomorrow ( need someone to be with me). However in the meantime we have received another 2 letters ( 1 for the Saturday and 1 for the Sunday) from BW Legal dated 16 November but not received until 24 November stating the client requires full payment of the balance within 17 days of date of letter. The letter format is pretty much the same as last except it is headed FINAL NOTICE. I shall email through for uploading and check car park but any further thoughts on what I should do? I felt sick when I opened these as I've previously outlined I've had brain tumour surgery and mother with dementia, hence I need the reassurance and guidance at the moment as not firing on all cylinders. I'll get the info tomorrow but was just sort of hoping there might be some further info I could cling to ? Thanks as always for the guidance, one very grateful member.

                            Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
                            If it were me I'd go & take a look at the existing layout of the car park if poss.

                            Are there still 2 entrys & 2 exits?

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                            • #29
                              Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

                              Does the letter contain the wording "Letter before Claim". or something similar to that?

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                              • #30
                                Re: Excel parking, BW Legal

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