Civil Enforcement Limited

[Lil'one]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

For an ANPR notice (not a ticket on the car)

To hold the keeper liable.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...dule/4/enacted

Right to claim unpaid parking charges from keeper of vehicle


4(1)The creditor has the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.


(2)The right under this paragraph applies only if—

(a)the conditions specified in paragraphs 5, 6, 11 and 12 (so far as applicable) are met; and




6(1)The second condition is that the creditor (or a person acting for or on behalf of the creditor)—




(b)has given a notice to keeper in accordance with paragraph 9.





(4)The notice must be given by—




(b)sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.


(5)The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.


(6)A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.



M1

Fantastic news mine was a anpr. So to clarify I have to have received the letter within the 14 day period. As long as I don't admit to being the driver.

Another feather in my cap

Thankyou so much for your help.
I will let you know my outcome

[Lil'one]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

Hi I've read this on another site

its about anpr and declining to tell them who the driver was

"If you do choose to decline you should advise the PPC just where it has failed to comply with POFA, but after the end of the period for service of the notice to keeper. If you were to advise the PPC too early then the PPC can re-serve the notice to keeper which is compliant with the Act."


When is advising the ppc too early? ( referring to a anpr ntk)is it meaning within the first 14 days??

TIA

[mystery1]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

If you've appealed to Cel leave it to popla. If you haven't appealed to Cel yet include it in your appeal and get your finger out !!



M1

[Lil'one]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

If you've appealed to Cel leave it to popla. If you haven't appealed to Cel yet include it in your appeal and get your finger out !!



M1

Haha I have got my finger out! I've sent it this morning and included it stating that they were over the 14 day limit for notice to keeper. And this revokes the notice to myself

and then I read the above and panicked thinking I'd said something to soon

and also included your template.

cheers for your help and reassurance!!

[Lil'one]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

Wahoo!!!

I have just received my "confirmation of cancellation"

Another one one bites the dust!!!

Thankyou mystery 1 for your all help and reassurance.

and to all those reading this Fight them!!!!

[Obb]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

Hi all,


I found this forum yesterday as a result of a "fake PCN that I received from Civil Enforcement Ltd. I did not know anything about this company before then.


Thank you for having this forum. I hope you can guide me in my dealing with this. I received a PCN for £100, reduced to £60 if paid within 14days. I did not have my car in the car park stated in the letter, how much more staying for the 36mins stated. I thought it was a fake company until I found this forum.


My concern is that the DVlLA released my details to this rogue company on false pretence. How did they get my car details in the first instance and what recourse do I have against the DVLA and this company.


it is already causing me some stress and I have spent many hours thinking things over with the person in the car with me on that day to find out if we ever got into that car park by mistake. The answer is NO.


Please can can you help?


Kind Regards


Obb

[mystery1]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

Hi all,


I found this forum yesterday as a result of a "fake PCN that I received from Civil Enforcement Ltd. I did not know anything about this company before then.


Thank you for having this forum. I hope you can guide me in my dealing with this. I received a PCN for £100, reduced to £60 if paid within 14days. I did not have my car in the car park stated in the letter, how much more staying for the 36mins stated. I thought it was a fake company until I found this forum.


My concern is that the DVlLA released my details to this rogue company on false pretence. How did they get my car details in the first instance and what recourse do I have against the DVLA and this company.


it is already causing me some stress and I have spent many hours thinking things over with the person in the car with me on that day to find out if we ever got into that car park by mistake. The answer is NO.


Please can can you help?


Kind Regards


Obb

Appeal to them appeals@ce-service.co.uk


Appeal and if rejected go via popla which wins if you appeal properly.

Dear Sirs,

I, as registered keeper, wish to invoke your appeals procedure. I do not recall parking where you say i did. To the best of my knowledge i believe my car was at xxxxx. In any event your charges are penal and not a genuine pre estimate of loss.

Please accept my appeal or supply a popla code.

yours etc

If you get a rejection and a popla code then appeal to popla such as http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...104#post410104 which produced the result http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...586#post420586

M1

[Obb]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

Appeal to them appeals@ce-service.co.uk


Appeal and if rejected go via popla which wins if you appeal properly.

Dear Sirs,

I, as registered keeper, wish to invoke your appeals procedure. I do not recall parking where you say i did. To the best of my knowledge i believe my car was at xxxxx. In any event your charges are penal and not a genuine pre estimate of loss.

Please accept my appeal or supply a popla code.

yours etc

If you get a rejection and a popla code then appeal to popla such as http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...104#post410104 which produced the result http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...586#post420586

M1

Thank you Mystery 1 for your prompt response to my request.
i shall follow your guidance.

However, some friends have advised me to ignore the notice as I did not park in the said car park. What do you advise and what is the likely outcome if I follow this path?

Thanks again

Obb

[mystery1]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

If you ignore it stays alive for 6 years until it's statute barred. Recently there have been quite a few court cases for parking events in 2012.

What i told you is easy and final.

M1

[Obb]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

If you ignore it stays alive for 6 years until it's statute barred. Recently there have been quite a few court cases for parking events in 2012.

What i told you is easy and final.

M1

Thank you again Mystery1. I shall let you know the outcome of the appeal .

Obbb

[Obb]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

Thank you again Mystery1. I shall let you know the outcome of the appeal .

Obb

Dear Mystery1,

Just a point to clarify before I send the appeal off. It was stated that I parked where the signage read " Authorised vehicles only". Does this change the wordings of the appeal? Where I recollect that I parked was the forecourt of a BP station waiting for my son in my car whilst he filled his car and transacted other business in the store.

Thank you again for your support and guidance.

Obb

[mystery1]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

Hi all,


I found this forum yesterday as a result of a "fake PCN that I received from Civil Enforcement Ltd. I did not know anything about this company before then.


Thank you for having this forum. I hope you can guide me in my dealing with this. I received a PCN for £100, reduced to £60 if paid within 14days. I did not have my car in the car park stated in the letter, how much more staying for the 36mins stated. I thought it was a fake company until I found this forum.


My concern is that the DVlLA released my details to this rogue company on false pretence. How did they get my car details in the first instance and what recourse do I have against the DVLA and this company.


it is already causing me some stress and I have spent many hours thinking things over with the person in the car with me on that day to find out if we ever got into that car park by mistake. The answer is NO.


Please can can you help?


Kind Regards


Obb

Appeal to them appeals@ce-service.co.uk


Appeal and if rejected go via popla which wins if you appeal properly.

Dear Sirs,

I, as registered keeper, wish to invoke your appeals procedure. The driver was a patron of the garage and then waited for their family member before setting off. In any event your charges are penal and not a genuine pre estimate of loss.

Please accept my appeal or supply a popla code.

yours etc

If you get a rejection and a popla code then appeal to popla such as http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...104#post410104 which produced the result http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...586#post420586

M1

[Obb]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

Thanks again for your prompt reply Mystery1.

Kind regards

Obb

[Obb]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

[QUOTE=Obb;458587]

Hi again Mystery1 and all,

I have today received the expected rejection from Civil Enforcement. Fortunately, they included the photographic evidence of my car entering and leaving the site in question.

It was a garage were my son was having his car MOT and we were told to park my own car where we did with their verbal permission waiting for my son's car to be ready. Although, I could not recollect seeing any signage and none was included in the photographic evidence.

Also the address on the PCN is not same as the garage's. I do have the MOT certificate which stated the time and date corroborating what is on the PCN and photographic evidence.

I have now been sent popla code. Please can you advise how I proceed as not all points in the template apply. The charge is that I parked in an "authorised persons only" area with no usual expected payment or fees.

Thank you again for your support with this case.

Kind regards

Obb

[mystery1]

Re: Civil Enforcement Limited

[QUOTE=Obb;463595]

Hi again Mystery1 and all,

I have today received the expected rejection from Civil Enforcement. Fortunately, they included the photographic evidence of my car entering and leaving the site in question.

It was a garage were my son was having his car MOT and we were told to park my own car where we did with their verbal permission waiting for my son's car to be ready. Although, I could not recollect seeing any signage and none was included in the photographic evidence.

Also the address on the PCN is not same as the garage's. I do have the MOT certificate which stated the time and date corroborating what is on the PCN and photographic evidence.

I have now been sent popla code. Please can you advise how I proceed as not all points in the template apply. The charge is that I parked in an "authorised persons only" area with no usual expected payment or fees.

Thank you again for your support with this case.

Kind regards

Obb

Edit http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...-Appeal-Letter to suit. Post a copy up before you send and i'll look although if it contains genuine pre estimate of loss it'll do the trick

M1