DVLA Court Summnons SORN.

[Kati]

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It's a shame this forum doesn't have a poo icon or i'd be using it here!

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[R0b]

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Must have missed that one

[Stuffedagain]

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Must have missed that one

That's brilliant Rob. Really very grateful for the response and for taking the time and effort.

My son and myself work along side each other so we'll be able to discuss everything tomorrow and follow your invaluable advice. I bet the DVLA thought Christmas was coming.

No surprised you missed the Poo Icon, I couldn't find it either! Pretty good as well.

Thanks Again:w_nikolaus_187:

[Stuffedagain]

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Good Morning Rob,

We have now been able to verify a few of the key points in your very comprehensive argument and the only point which we think could be an issue is that the payment at the discounted rate was made after 21 days. Their letter of the 22nd June stated "The Motor Insurance Database showed that the vehicle was not insured on then 19/06/2015. This is an offence and to avoid prosecution you must do the following:
- Pay a penalty in full by 31/07/2015. If you pay by 24/07/2015 this will be reduced to £50."

Sadly this is longer than the 21 day period. Does it make any difference to the argument given that it is the date furnished by them to pay at the discounted rate. My son paid on the last day, the 24th.

Hope you can assist us once again.

Very Many Thanks.

[R0b]

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Good Morning Rob,

We have now been able to verify a few of the key points in your very comprehensive argument and the only point which we think could be an issue is that the payment at the discounted rate was made after 21 days. Their letter of the 22nd June stated "The Motor Insurance Database showed that the vehicle was not insured on then 19/06/2015. This is an offence and to avoid prosecution you must do the following:
- Pay a penalty in full by 31/07/2015. If you pay by 24/07/2015 this will be reduced to £50."

Sadly this is longer than the 21 day period. Does it make any difference to the argument given that it is the date furnished by them to pay at the discounted rate. My son paid on the last day, the 24th.

Hope you can assist us once again.

Very Many Thanks.

hello, sorry not sure if i understand what you are saying, still early for me to be thinking!

This issue still relates to section 144C in that a person can be discharged by payment of a fixed penalty.

Regardless of the date of the letter, the DVLA has given your son a window to make the payment by 31/07/2015 in order to avoid any criminal conviction. Prompt payment by 24/07 just means you get a discount, nothing more.

If your son made the payment on 24/07 then his liability has been extinguished because he made the payment within the time specified. I'm afraid it would be ridiculous to say that the DVLA has given a person certain time to make the payment but if the payment is 21 days after the date of the letter yet still within the time specified, is able to summons that person to court.

Does that answer your question or have i missed the mark?

[Stuffedagain]

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You haven't missed the mark at all Rob, it was just a question of the 21 days, whether or not it might have any effect if it was written into law as that. He has paid after 32 days as per their instructions. Just trying to ensure we understand correctly without them coming back with their legalese on some obscure point that may negate an argument no matter how much sense it makes.

Will be contacting them today,

Thanks again and will let you know how things go.

Thanks again

[R0b]

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Good! by the way in her letter she says that your son has pleaded not guilty and will have to await a trial date. I would double check with the court on whether your son is still required to attend on the 25th or if you have to await a new date for trial, he doesn't want to be failing to turn up if he is supposed to.

Also, try and get her email address if you can so you can have things in writing of what he has said should he need to attend court for this.

[Stuffedagain]

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Good shout Rob. The letter says that "the not guilty plea will been entered at the Stevenage Court and adjourned to a court near you for trial. The court will then notify you of the new trial date etc" but as you say, a phone call won't hurt.

Thanks again

[Stuffedagain]

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Hello Again,

A quick update after the great response from Rob. I phoned to the Court to ensure that the case was in fact live and if attendance was required which they confirmed he was not and yes, the case was live. I asked if it were possible to submit evidence to counter the claims made by the DVLA to which they replied that indeed it was. Have therefore submitted a short version and await the outcome from their worships. Maybe it can be killed off at Magistrates level.

Extremely grateful to ROb for the help and will keep you advised.

[R0b]

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Good stuff, lets wait and see what happens. I would imagine that they will try to extort some money before the trial and if not drop the case right up to the point you step in the door to hear your case.

I would be surprised if there was any other outcome on this.

[Stuffedagain]

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I agree Rob and we are prepared to take it as far as necessary and pay them nothing. If they decide to drop the case when my son is at court they will be mistaken. The judge can hear the case and make a ruling that can be used by other victims. In the correspondence it was noted that the DVLA had omitted to inform that representations could be made to the magistrates, they merely stated that a trial date would be allocated at a court nearer to our location so prejudicing our ability to appeal.

Thanks a lot.

[R0b]

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keep us updated

[fatmcgav]

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Stuffedagain

Would you mind updating as to the outcome on this?

Cheers
Gavin

[Stuffedagain]

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Result!!!

Quick update,

The court case was postponed until next Tuesday, no reason given. Today my son received a phone call to say that the case was withdrawn and a hard copy has been requested.

Hopefully this is true and not a scam but looking at this positive outcome I would like to thanks all of the contributors especially Rob for has most valuable assistance without whom, this result would have been in question.

Many thanks again.

[R0b]

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Glad to hear it is a positive one! Be sure to follow it up Monday with the DVLA and have them confirm in writing that the case has been withdrawn or intend to withdraw, then do contact the court and clarify if it is the case. You should do this no later than Monday before 4pm or depending on the time of the court case, Tuesday morning at the very latest.

I doubt the DVLA would lie as to withdrawing the trial as that would be easy grounds for appeal but stranger things have happened so just be sure to double check.