Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

[peter.k]

Hi everyone,


Went to visit one of my mates in hospital 2 weeks ago, traffic was very slow and heavy and last friday have received a PCN - Entering and stopping at junction box when prohibited. Funny thing is that i was actually moving (very slowly, i admit) across yellow box, and i entered when the light was green and moved across while light was green.


Have attached 3 photo's and PCN itself. No video was at the webpage supplied, only pictures. Have requested a video to be supplied.


Let me know if anyone has any ideas on what to reply to council.


Thank you in advance.


PCN


PCN SCANS
PCN Page 2
PCN Page 3


CCTV Pictures, no video (updated)

https://ibb.co/nGMCN6
https://ibb.co/iP61FR
https://ibb.co/eRSmh6

[michael]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

If you are sure that you were moving all the time you were in the box (no matter how slowly), then the contravention did not occur.

You must view the video to confirm this, as peoples memory of an incident are sometimes different from the reality.

Have you tried entering your details here:
https://viewmypcn.co.uk/Default.aspx

[des8]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

Hi
CCTV pictures !&2 are identical i.e. it is the same photo.
Have you by chance uploaded the same pic twice, otherwise they don't prove diddly squat!

[peter.k]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

des8 - apologies, my fault, uploaded same pic twice. Please see links updated with all 3 pictures supplied by council. Thank you

- - - Updated - - -

michael - have tried to enter my details but it came up with an error (Your viewing request was accepted, we are currently in the process of preparing your still images and video footage.)

[michael]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

For 8 seconds between 13.54:56 and 13.55:04 you have only moved a couple of inches. Whether an adjudicator would consider this 'de minimus' is debatable

[peter.k]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

Thank you michael. Whatabout errors on PCN itself? Like the 14 day period for payment of the discount is wrong as it should be date of notice not service, and the issue of a charge certificate is the other way round..?

[des8]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

as [MENTION=251]michael[/MENTION], especially post 2 as you were moving.
The video might give better idea

[michael]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

Whatabout errors on PCN itself? Like the 14 day period for payment of the discount is wrong as it should be date of notice not service,

Date of notice applies to PCN's served on the vehicle, whereas date of service applies to postal PCN's

[peter.k]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

Morning all,

Finally managed to get hold of video recording. It does show me entering the box slowly and then stopping for 7 seconds before moving again...

[Amethyst]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

bummer. I blame that mini two cars ahead of you, wasn't paying attention at all.

[peter.k]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

Amethyst - fully agree. But then again, they were not in the yellow box...

[peter.k]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

Have uploaded video.

I suspect will have to pay that bloody ticket...

[Amethyst]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

Looks like it

[peter.k]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

Will try and appeal by stating that the vehicle before me has stalled/changed a gear hence leaving me on the yellow box and this should not be counted as contravention.

[Amethyst]

Re: Council PCN - Entering and stopping at box junction

Well, the law is that you don't enter the yellow box unless your exit is clear, and it wasn't ... so I think you're stuffed tbh. But that's just me of course, I'm no expert in these things.