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  • #31
    Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

    I think one important aspect to this you haven't addressed is you cannot coach her too much. Perhaps encourage her to write a list of things that are wrong, print out copies of emails, get her to read over it so she can digest it all and know 100% wholeheartedly that it is all a problem and not simply a case of her being felt to feel that way by YOU.

    And I don't mean that in a nasty way either, people under duress and stress can react in lots of different ways, they can also end up distrusting or getting paranoid about the very people there to help them.

    What you must do is help her with the list of things wrong, gently and carefully go through each item on the list, be supportive as much as possible, ask her does she want you present when the Police turn up or does she want you let them get on with it. Its most important you do that, because you NEVER want to come across as pushy or for the Police to get the idea that YOU are part of the problem.

    If she has a list of the stuff thats wrong, and bullet points that say 'refer to email printout #1', then its better if she does all the talking, because she is the one who in the eyes of the law has the issue and problem.

    At the end of it all you need to come across as supportive of her and any decisions she makes, as well as not slagging the father off in front of the girls, thats very key here.

    If the girls say anything about him, or question him say "well what do YOU think about it?", and coerce them to use the critical thinking skills they have to analyse the problem for themselves, so YOU are not seen as the problem, the father is.

    Also don't EVER be a wedge between the girls and their father, be as compliant and neutral as possible in the circumstances, certainly never slag off their father in front of the girls, so when their father has his eventual "so I suppose X has told you to do this and said i'm that has he?", and the girls can honestly turn around and say "actually he thinks its important we keep in touch with you dad, because he knows how he would feel if he were in a similar situation."

    Part of the problem is the father having a problem with YOU. If you can neuter some of his conversation pieces to his daughters, it will sort a lot of tension out.

    I had to do the same with my step-daughter, her father was to put it bluntly a complete and utter pillock who would make life as difficult as possible, after a year or so of this, he eventually grew out of it, because he didn't see me as the enemy anymore, because I didn't slag him off (even though he quite rightly deserved it), and any conversation he would have had with her would have been fairly short and would have moved onto other things.

    I'm sure you're doing all of this, but it needs saying, because sometimes, the good guy gets shafted.

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    • #32
      Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

      http://www.cmoptions.org/en/maintenance/index.asp

      This link explains Child Maintenance.

      One thing I haven't established (or may have on another of your threads),,,,what's your relationship with the girls like?
      You come across as a strong minded man,,not one to shy away as it were.

      IMO I think the father is doing as much as he can to antagonise and annoy you..not your partner.

      You seriously need to back out of the situation,,and I do know how hard this is....but your continued involvement is his key to continue aggravating you all.

      Hope your partner got on ok with the police.

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      • #33
        Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

        Hi my relationship with the girls is very good, they come to me if they want anything done and seek advice from me.


        When we my partner and I got together I deliberately let them come to me, as i didnt want to be the new father, since doing that i was always polite, courteous etc and we have never dissed him in front of the girls.

        I realise I may see this different to you, and I realise it may look like I am meddling, I have not put words into my partners mouth, I have asked why, when, what how questions so that she comes to the conclusion herself.

        I specialise in behaviours and personalities and therefore am aware of how to speak to different people types, however I do understand how it looks from outside.

        He knows I have him sussed and he knows my partner has now sussed, she spent 20 years being bullied by him, and I hope she has now seen him in his true light.

        I am very careful on my approach as I know how sensitive this can be.
        Originally posted by Inca View Post
        http://www.cmoptions.org/en/maintenance/index.asp

        This link explains Child Maintenance.

        One thing I haven't established (or may have on another of your threads),,,,what's your relationship with the girls like?
        You come across as a strong minded man,,not one to shy away as it were.

        IMO I think the father is doing as much as he can to antagonise and annoy you..not your partner.

        You seriously need to back out of the situation,,and I do know how hard this is....but your continued involvement is his key to continue aggravating you all.

        Hope your partner got on ok with the police.

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        • #34
          Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

          Hi spent some time with the Police, after some conversation we have decided to go for a specific injunction, with regards to him approaching the house, emailing her abusive stuff etc and communicating through the eldest child and adhering to the contact order, with a view to getting a arrestable injunction.

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          • #35
            Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

            Crossed post

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            • #36
              Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

              Originally posted by martinbrawn View Post
              Hi spent some time with the Police, after some conversation we have decided to go for a specific injunction, with regards to him approaching the house, emailing her abusive stuff etc and communicating through the eldest child and adhering to the contact order, with a view to getting a arrestable injunction.

              No,,it's not 'we' have decided,it's SHE has decided to go for the injunction (on her own I hope)..(and I'm not being obtuse or rude)
              If she goes with the 'email' part,,that will have to apply to you as well,,you should not communicate with him henceforth,,it's between them.

              It's a start,,now she must press for a court date to revisit the contact order and make any changes deemed necessary.

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              • #37
                Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

                Originally posted by Inca View Post
                Please don't 'pen' an email to him for her to send,,let her write one in her own words because I promise you he will know it's your words,,not hers and that just adds fuel to the fire,trust me.

                IMHO,,this has gone on far too long,,and is a ridiculous situation,,the girls are going to be deeply mentally scarred by this and their Mum HAS to take control.
                The eldest child is heading towards exams which she is going to struggle with at this rate.

                GET IT BACK TO COURT..SOON ,,PLEASE......the girls are going to end up hating all of you if you don't put a stop to all this.
                Well put, Inca, and I couldn't agree more. The two girls MUST come first and this situation MUST be sorted out quickly.
                Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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                • #38
                  Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

                  Originally posted by martinbrawn View Post
                  Hi spent some time with the Police, after some conversation we have decided to go for a specific injunction, with regards to him approaching the house, emailing her abusive stuff etc and communicating through the eldest child and adhering to the contact order, with a view to getting a arrestable injunction.
                  It sounds like your partner has been advised to seek a Prohibitory Injunction under Section 3, Protection from Harassment Act 1998. I would strongly advise her to have a legal professional prepare the PF39CH (the court form used to apply for such an injunction). She will also have to include a Witness Statement with the PF39CH as well as copies of evidence to support the application to court. The court fee will be around the £175 mark, but check with the court beforehand or a legal professional. Your partner will need to submit an N1 claim at the time of applying for the injunction and certainly not more than three working days from the date of applying for the injunction. This is for any financial losses she has incurred and the hearing for that and to make the injunction permanent, which will be heard by a Circuit Judge, will take place some weeks afterwards. It might be a good idea to get the legal professional to prepare the paperwork and your partner to attend the court herself. She needs to be at the court, suited and booted, at 9.45 am, which is when courts in England and Wales open to the public. In the case of an injunction application, court staff will normally try and find a judge who can hear the application, so she must be prepared to wait.

                  Hope this helps.
                  Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

                    Thanks BB..I didn't have to do any of that myself as I was in hospital and it was done for me..another bit of useful info for me to store x

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                    • #40
                      Re: Email verbal abuse and threatening behaviour

                      Hi and thanks for this post, its exactly what she needs to see.

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