Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

[teaboy2]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

I'll have a listen to it later, not sure if i've received it yet actually either. Will check in a bit though and let you know if i got it or not!

UPDATE - Yes i have got the email!

[RJH]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Well, it should be with us no later than July 31st.

I feel a bit more confident about it all after this meeting.

When you've listened to the recording, I'd be interested to hear your interpretation and thoughts.

[teaboy2]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

there response to the grievance will be interesting... that is for sure lol

[RJH]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Just what I thought, clearly trying to get out of it!

[teaboy2]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Received your PM and file on it's way. You will hear it for yourself. Even on the document it states that their legal advice tell them no more than 3 points!

The only notes that were made in that meeting by them were the writing on the plain unheaded paper, so as far as it goes now, those are the minutes! :tinysmile_aha_t:

Lol those are the minutes!!! Oh dear oh dear (shaking head in disbelief) - They haven't a clue have they.

As for their legal advice - BULLSHIT, no lawyer or solicitor in the whole country would give out such advice!! They are basically trying to limit what she can make a grievance about in order to limit any damage and prevent her making a claim on the most damaging points and if i remember correctly, there was terms in her contract that limited her to what she could make a grievance about, though said terms are invalid as you can not limit what an employee can make a grievance about, as they have a statutory right to raise a grievance and there's no limit to that right in regards to what they can make a grievance about! So their plan or intentions are not going to work, if anything its going to back fire spectacularly on them!

[RJH]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Are you taking the piss!! The chair told your OH to remove certain points of her grievance? Thats no different to telling her what she can and can not make a grievance about. I hope she hasn't removed any points, and stood her ground?

How long is the recording?

i shall pm you my email address so you can send a copy.

Also did they say when they would be sending you a copy of the minutes?

Received your PM and file on it's way. You will hear it for yourself. Even on the document it states that their legal advice tell them no more than 3 points!

The only notes that were made in that meeting by them were the writing on the plain unheaded paper, so as far as it goes now, those are the minutes! :tinysmile_aha_t:

[teaboy2]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Are you taking the piss!! The chair told your OH to remove certain points of her grievance? Thats no different to telling her what she can and can not make a grievance about. I hope she hasn't removed any points, and stood her ground?

How long is the recording?

i shall pm you my email address so you can send a copy.

Also did they say when they would be sending you a copy of the minutes?

[RJH]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

[MENTION=67649]matt3942[/MENTION] [MENTION=19071]teaboy2[/MENTION]

So the meeting was held this morning, and I do have a recording of it if I am allowed to send it to any of you to listen?

The notes from the meeting are attached, it is worth me telling you that the chair of the meeting towards the end (and it is on the recording) asked my OH to take certain points out because they only wanted a maximum of three main points.

Thoughts and advice welcome please

Thanks

-Rob

[RJH]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Noted, thank you all for your help up to this point, I'm sure there will be more, but for now have a good evening and I'll update you tomorrow after the meeting

[matt3942]

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Hi [MENTION=59438]RJH[/MENTION] - You can take £10 along in case but I wouldn't include it in the envelope in case they don't open it there and then and later deny having received £10. It's a petty amount but still.

- Matt

[RJH]

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Hi @RJH

Here are my thoughts on the grievance meeting notes PDF:

Point 1. I wouldn't go as far as to suggest they made your OH redundant because they didn't want to pay SMP. That is speculation. Just stick to suggesting they made your OH redundancy because of her pregnancy.

Point 14. There is no relevant legislation here. The ACAS code of practice says the process must be completed without unreasonable delay. I think we said the employer failed to follow its own grievance procedure by not inviting your OH to a grievance meeting after the grievance was raised. I would check the employer's grievance procedure for timescales.

IMO asking for a formal letter of apology is over the top and likely to incense the employer. I wouldn't do it.

As for the Subject Access Request letter - has your employer said the cost is £10? It not I wouldn't send anything. Employers don't have to charge for this so I would wait to see what they say.

- Matt

Hi [MENTION=67649]matt3942[/MENTION]

I've amended as per your suggestions.

The subject access letter - I'm aware they can charge up to £10, so is it best to take something just in case? I'll give them the letter in any case.

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Thanks [MENTION=19071]teaboy2[/MENTION] I've added the matrix part in

[teaboy2]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Hi guys, sorry been up to my eyeballs in work last couple of days, so haven't had chance to visit the forum.

Reference questions to put to the employer. I would ask for them to provide a copy of or details as to their redundancy selection matrix and confirmation as to how many others where selected to face redundancy and explanation as to why they were not selected and your OH was, along with results after the selection matrix process was completed. A selection matrix is basically a tool where people are selected based on certain criteria, such as those found here - http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4557

[matt3942]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Hi [MENTION=59438]RJH[/MENTION]

Here are my thoughts on the grievance meeting notes PDF:

Point 1. I wouldn't go as far as to suggest they made your OH redundant because they didn't want to pay SMP. That is speculation. Just stick to suggesting they made your OH redundancy because of her pregnancy.

Point 14. There is no relevant legislation here. The ACAS code of practice says the process must be completed without unreasonable delay. I think we said the employer failed to follow its own grievance procedure by not inviting your OH to a grievance meeting after the grievance was raised. I would check the employer's grievance procedure for timescales.

IMO asking for a formal letter of apology is over the top and likely to incense the employer. I wouldn't do it.

As for the Subject Access Request letter - has your employer said the cost is £10? It not I wouldn't send anything. Employers don't have to charge for this so I would wait to see what they say.

- Matt

[RJH]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Thanks [MENTION=67649]matt3942[/MENTION], look forward to your views

[matt3942]

Re: Pregnant and made redundant - HELP

Hi [MENTION=59438]RJH[/MENTION] - just another flying visit! I'll try to look at the notes you've made tomorrow.

Don't forget, this is the grievance appeal meeting, even though the initial grievance investigation was a farce. You probably won't be able to appeal against the outcome of this meeting. We'll have to wait to see what the employer says.

- Matt