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Help Appreciated With Cabot

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  • #16
    Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

    Sorry if this is a bit of a long post but there have been some developments with the Cabot case and I could really use an opinion.

    Having sent the previous letter to the courts I heard nothing. On 6th April I sent CPR31.14 requests to Cabot & Morgans and filed my AQ.

    Next I received a copy of Cabot’s AQ – they have asked for a one month stay as well. Although they aren’t supposed to fill in reasons if they answer ‘yes’ they have and it states they are asking for the stay because they are ‘in the process of supplying defendant with advance disclosure’.

    They have also admitted that pre-action protocol wasn’t followed since:
    ‘There was no debt recovery protocol’ and ‘Letter before action and documentation being sent or has already been sent to the defendant’. I have yet to receive the LBA but I have had a letter and a copy of it can be found here.

    I have been going through the letter and the paperwork and there are some glaringly obvious inconsistencies.

    They still insist the ‘reply card’ is the credit agreement – I know it isn’t and I’m not going into that with them again.

    The terms and conditions cannot be relevant because the print date on them is after I signed the application form.

    The statements are incomplete (I have asked for a full set). There is nothing before January 2003 showing how the alleged balance was arrived at. There is a big gap between the last statement and the date they say they purchased the debt.

    They claim they were unaware of a refund of charges meaning the amount in the Particulars of Claim are incorrect – also the account number in the POC does not match the account number on the statements.

    The Notice of Assignment also states the incorrect amount and the name/signature on it is different from an earlier Notice of Assignment. They claim they were unaware of the refund of charges, but Monument must have been aware so why would the original NOA (allegedly from Monument) state the wrong amount?

    They have also sent a Deed of Assignment but this is nothing more than a large contract with a few pages at the back where amounts etc. are missing. The DOA does not refer to me or the alleged account number anywhere within it.

    Also what is all the rubbish about Section 87(1) and my CPR requests being ‘disproportionate’?

    I wrote to the court on 28th March with a Draft Order for Directions. I have now received, in response to this letter, a form N244 and a letter which says the District Judge has directed that an application is required. I am not sure how to proceed now in the light of all the other rubbish from Cabot and the Solicitors.

    Any advice greatly appreciated.

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    • #17
      Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

      ROFLMAO.

      As I've said to you we need to get a witness statement sorted and give the court a shout about the N244 application.

      Ps there you go Nattie updated

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      • #18
        Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

        Have just contacted the courts about the N244 application. I am still in time to get the application in because the AQs have gone up in front of a Judge for consideration.

        I have been advised that, since both parties have asked for a stay, the stay is very likely to be granted. It would therefore be best to wait until the end of the stay to see if Cabot/Morgans do make full disclosure (fairly obvious they won't).

        If, at the end of the stay, they still haven't fully complied with CPR requests then make the application to force compliance or have the claim struck out.

        What does anyone think of that route?

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        • #19
          Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

          Sounds like a Plan Stan.

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          • #20
            Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

            As well as suggesting that I wait until the stay has run its course before filing the N244, the court also suggested that I contact the claimant (or solicitors) to attempt to expedite the disclosure.

            I know that Cabot can’t supply the agreement etc. but, in order to be seen to be attempting a resolution, I thought I might send Morgan Solicitors this letter.

            I would appreciate any opinions anyone has on this.

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            • #21
              Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

              Looks good, but you need to remove reference to Draft Directions, unless you sent them a copy.
              Also remove the (if one exists) part as well, don't want to give them a get out clause.

              I would also be inclined to included a copy of your previous letter in post #5 and also copy the court in on the whole nine yards.
              At least it shows you are willing to abide by pre-action prots ..

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              • #22
                Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

                Well I sent the letter of to Morgans solicitors giving them until the 1st May to supply all the requested documentation or I would file the N244.

                Seems now I don't have to bother - received a letter from the Courts today which suggests another DJ has looked at the file since the AQs went in. Have now received a copy of the Court Order stating that 'the claimant is ordered to provide a full response to the defendants request of 19th January' or words to that effect. This must be done by 15th May.

                Possible next step - will hang on to the N244 and, if I still don't receive anything positive, I will file it asking for the claim to be struck out?

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                • #23
                  Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

                  Nice.
                  Is this order a Put up or Strike out ?

                  If so hold your N244 for later use, if at all...

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                  • #24
                    Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

                    It's a put up - although the Draft Direction did state ask that the case would be struck out if they didn't comply it does not say that on the order.

                    That's why I thought hold back the N244 for a strike out.

                    The exact wording for the order can be found here.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

                      All good, even though it doesn't include the strike out clause.
                      If they fail to comply they will be in serious trouble..

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                      • #26
                        Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

                        Well have they complied ????

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                        • #27
                          Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

                          Hi,

                          Sorry for the delay in responding but I have a bit of computer trouble.

                          The short answer is - no Cabot/Morgans have still not complied.

                          The long answer is a bit more complicated.

                          When they hadn't complied by the 15th May I wrote to the Court informing them and asking that the claim be struck out. I then went on holiday from 24th-31st May and when I got back I had received this.

                          Still had no response by the 5th June so wrote to the Court again asking for the claim to be struck out. Have not had a response to that letter but the day after sending it I received this.

                          None of it makes any sense to me - it appears they put in an application and got a hearing but I was never informed of it. Thought I'd just go along on the 8th and see if they bother turning up - if they do I will just make the case that the documentation requested should be readily available and without it they haven't got a case.

                          Any alternative advice greatly appreciated.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

                            you have left in your full name and address.
                            Is no longer here

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                            • #29
                              Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

                              Seems that Morgans will attempt to say that they don't need the agreement or try and get further time for compliance.

                              Stick to your guns here as they have more than ample time to disclose the required information.
                              of course if they want to settle, then that's all good, but the only settlement you are prepared for is complete discontinuance of this claim.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Help Appreciated With Cabot

                                Firstly thanks to WendyB for pointing out I had left my details on the documents - this has now been rectified.

                                Secondly forgot to mention that, whilst all the letters were going backwards abd forwards to the Court, I received two more letters from Morgans.

                                The first seems to say that they agree the info I have requested should be considered by the Court and invites me to submit my application BUT it then goes on to say they will oppose the application. This seems to me to be somewhat contradictory!

                                The second is really a joke. it says the debt has been passed to them by Cabot (surely against OFT regs) and that I must contact them immediately to 'prevent litigation from commencing'.

                                Strange thing to say since proceedings are already underway!

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