Hello,
My father has recently received a CCJ and is rather worried about it and was wondering if anyone can advise what to do and how to proceed.
Issue Date: 02 July 2015 (Received on Saturday 3rd July 2015)
Court Address:
County Court Business Centre
Northampton
Claimant:
Cabot Financial (UK) Limited
Solicitor:
Mortimer Clarke Solicitors LTD
Particulars of Claim:
By an agreement between OPUS CREDIT CARD (OPUS) & the Defendant on or around XX/XX/2008 (“the Agreement”) OPUS agreed to issue the Defendant with a credit card. The Defendant failed to make the minimum payments due & the Agreement was terminated. The Agreement was assigned to the Claimant. THE CLAIMANT THEREFORE CLAIMS 3XXX.XX
My Father is elderly and lives in rental accommodation. This Credit Card was taken out at a previously rented address some years ago as mentioned - in 2008 and it seems that Cabot Financial (UK) Limited have found there way to his place of residence now.
He has received numerous letters from Cabot in the Post regarding this claim by Cabot and has never acknowledged any so I find it strange for them to issue a CCJ without ever proving he lives where he does. For all they known he could be a previous tenant?
He has no money, no job and cannot afford to pay for this whatsoever.
He lives a quiet life and possibly no one knows he lives where he does, and was considering returning the CCJ as “Unknown”. He is not worried about his future credit status whatsoever as he never intends to get credit but more worried that the CCJ will pass automatic judgment In favour of the Claimant if he does not address this CCJ. If he returns the CCJ as Unknown – would this escalate to Bailiffs?
Having joined Legal Beagles today, I was anticipating what advice anyone on here could offer to him to precede this and get them of his back for once and all.
I have read so many threads in the last few days regarding CCJ’s and Cabot. It is quite worrying how much harassing they do and how there associate Solicitors (Mortimer Clarke) Tag Team with them anticipating for the Debt they probably paid very little for, try and get the full amount.
I am in the process of finding out when he made a last payment to suggest if this an Statue Barred Case or not and will update this Thread possibly this evening once I find out.
If it is in Statue Barred circumstances – what do I do?
Please help and Many Thanks in Advance :tinysmile_hmm_t2:
CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
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Re: CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
That paragraph should replace your current paragraph 4.Originally posted by Pos1tive View PostTHanks for the feedbaqck @FlamingParrot - Updated as you said and took out all reference to s77.
Also where / at what point should I mention:
"It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with Opus. For the avoidance of doubt the Defendant puts the Claimant to strict proof of its allegations and requires the Claimant to produce the aforesaid agreement / contract which the Defendant is alleged to have agreed. The Defendant avers that the Claimants claim as pleaded is incapable of proof."
Apologies for the broken quote, unfortunately due to site issues it's not always possible to edit my posts, with the post above I get just a blank box if I try to edit it.Originally posted by Pos1tive View PostAlso re.
13. On 5th August 2015, Cabot Financial (UK) Limited sent a letter to the defendant advising:
“I can confirm that the reference number you have provided relates to Cabot Financial (Marlin) Limited and not our office, which is why I was unable to locate your account previously. I can confirm that I have now located your account and I am sorry for any inconvenience caused by this delay.”
I am asking the the Court - or is this worded badly? What I am trying to say is the Claimant does'nt even know who the Claimant is is the Claim Form refers to Cabot Financial (UK) Limited but actual Claim is for Cabot Financial (Marlin) Limited
A defence should contain assertions rather than questions, if it was me I'd leave that out unless I was sure there was any mileage in challenging the identity of the claimant. In this case it looks like there's much more mileage in the Opus angle.
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THanks for the feedbaqck [MENTION=37786]FlamingParrot[/MENTION] - Updated as you said and took out all reference to s77.
Also where / at what point should I mention:
"It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with Opus. For the avoidance of doubt the Defendant puts the Claimant to strict proof of its allegations and requires the Claimant to produce the aforesaid agreement / contract which the Defendant is alleged to have agreed. The Defendant avers that the Claimants claim as pleaded is incapable of proof."
Also re.
[QUOTE=Pos1tive;571728]
13. On 5th August 2015, Cabot Financial (UK) Limited sent a letter to the defendant advising:
“I can confirm that the reference number you have provided relates to Cabot Financial (Marlin) Limited and not our office, which is why I was unable to locate your account previously. I can confirm that I have now located your account and I am sorry for any inconvenience caused by this delay.”
I am asking the the Court - or is this worded badly? What I am trying to say is the Claimant does'nt even know who the Claimant is is the Claim Form refers to Cabot Financial (UK) Limited but actual Claim is for Cabot Financial (Marlin) Limited
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Re: CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
Add as per PT's post #78: "I require the Claimant to prove each and every allegation as pleaded in its particulars of claim"Originally posted by Pos1tive View PostJust finally Posting my Defence on this thread one last time for any correctional feedback, and I'll get this printed in the next few hours:
1: I, the Defendant have received the claim XXXXXXXX from the Northampton County Court on 3rd July 2015.
2: Each and every allegation in the Claimants Particulars of Claim is denied unless specifically admitted in this Defence.
See PT's post #76 above:Originally posted by Pos1tive View Post3: This claim appears to be for a OPUS Credit Card agreement regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. The Defendant has never used let alone owned an OPUS Credit Card.
4: It is denied that the Defendant has previously entered into an agreement with OPUS for provision of credit.
It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with Opus. For the avoidance of doubt the Defendant puts the Claimant to strict proof of its allegations and requires the Claimant to produce the aforesaid agreement / contract which the Defendant is alleged to have agreed. The Defendant avers that the Claimants claim as pleaded is incapable of proof.Leave just "section 78". (s.77 applies to loans, s.78 to credit cards)Originally posted by Pos1tive View Post5. The Claimants Particulars of Claim fail to state when the agreement was entered into and state’s “on or around 07/03/2008” which the Defendant denies as he has never had an OPUS Credit Card.
6. The Claimants Particulars of Claim state that the account was “By an agreement between OPUS CREDIT CARD (OPUS) & the Defendant” I, the Defendant deny ever having any such agreement with OPUS.
7. It is denied that OPUS served any Default notice on the Defendant pursuant to s87 Consumer Credit Act 1974. The Claimant is required to prove that a compliant Default Notice was served upon the Defendant if an agreement existed.
8: On 9th July 2015, the Defendant sent a request (Signed for Delivery) for inspection of documents mentioned in the claimant’s statement of case under Civil Procedure Rule 31.14 to Mortimer Clarke Solicitors. The Defendant requested the Claimant provide copies of the Agreement and Notice of Assignment.
9. Mortimer Clarke Solicitors has not sent any of these documents to the Defendant.
10. On the 9th July 2015, a formal request for a copy of the original agreement to Cabot Financial (UK) Limited (Signed for Delivery) pursuant to section [77 or 78] of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 along with the statutory £1 fee.
As above, just "section 78".Originally posted by Pos1tive View Post11. Cabot Financial (UK) Limited responded to the request (10
of the original agreement on 25th July 2015:
I acknowledge receipt of your request under sections 77-79 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974; however I have been unable to locate the account under the details you have provided, as the reference number you have quoted does not match our records.
Therefore I respectfully request that you obtain the correct Cabot reference number and confirm any previous address we may hold for you and forward that information on to us in order for your request to be actioned.
Enc: £1 Postal Order"
This is indicative that Cabot Financial (UK) Limited have no knowledge of this claim to pursue.
12. On the 27th July 2015, a formal request for a copy of the original agreement to Cabot Financial (UK) Limited (Signed for Delivery) pursuant to section [77 or 78] of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 along with the statutory £1 fee was sent again
[QUOTE=Pos1tive;571728]
13. On 5th August 2015, Cabot Financial (UK) Limited sent a letter to the defendant advising:
“I can confirm that the reference number you have provided relates to Cabot Financial (Marlin) Limited and not our office, which is why I was unable to locate your account previously. I can confirm that I have now located your account and I am sorry for any inconvenience caused by this delay.”
Is this a question you're asking us or them?Originally posted by Pos1tive View PostWhy does the Claim Form have the Claimant Details as “Cabot Financial (UK) Limited and NOT “Cabot Financial (Marlin) Limited”. Who is the real Claimant?
Should be just "s.78(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and by virtue of s.78(6) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974"Originally posted by Pos1tive View Post15. The Claimant has failed to comply with [s77 (1) / s 78 (1)] Consumer Credit Act 1974 and by virtue of [s77 (4) / s 78 (6)] Consumer Credit Act 1974 cannot enforce the agreement.
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Re: CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
Para 2, id add "I require the Claimant to prove each and every allegation as pleaded in its particulars of claim"
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Re: CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
Thanks [MENTION=551]pt2537[/MENTION] - Your explanation has cleared all the doubts in my head as I kept on thinking I have to raise the fact of the Citi Card etc.
I think my Defence is good to go then as it is. I will print it, get my father to sign, Scan and email it.
I would like to say a Thank You for the support (Especially @pt2537 @FlamingParrot @nemesis45 :tinysmile_twink_t2:) you all have given me up to now - Don't know where I'd be without this site and the kind helpful and resourcesful people on it.
Will keep you all posted and fingers crossed all goes well
Just finally Posting my Defence on this thread one last time for any correctional feedback, and I'll get this printed in the next few hours:
1: I, the Defendant have received the claim XXXXXXXX from the Northampton County Court on 3rd July 2015.
2: Each and every allegation in the Claimants Particulars of Claim is denied unless specifically admitted in this Defence.
3: This claim appears to be for a OPUS Credit Card agreement regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. The Defendant has never used let alone owned an OPUS Credit Card.
4: It is denied that the Defendant has previously entered into an agreement with OPUS for provision of credit.
5. The Claimants Particulars of Claim fail to state when the agreement was entered into and state’s “on or around 07/03/2008” which the Defendant denies as he has never had an OPUS Credit Card.
6. The Claimants Particulars of Claim state that the account was “By an agreement between OPUS CREDIT CARD (OPUS) & the Defendant” I, the Defendant deny ever having any such agreement with OPUS.
7. It is denied that OPUS served any Default notice on the Defendant pursuant to s87 Consumer Credit Act 1974. The Claimant is required to prove that a compliant Default Notice was served upon the Defendant if an agreement existed.
8: On 9th July 2015, the Defendant sent a request (Signed for Delivery) for inspection of documents mentioned in the claimant’s statement of case under Civil Procedure Rule 31.14 to Mortimer Clarke Solicitors. The Defendant requested the Claimant provide copies of the Agreement and Notice of Assignment.
9. Mortimer Clarke Solicitors has not sent any of these documents to the Defendant.
10. On the 9th July 2015, a formal request for a copy of the original agreement to Cabot Financial (UK) Limited (Signed for Delivery) pursuant to section [77 or 78] of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 along with the statutory £1 fee.
11. Cabot Financial (UK) Limited responded to the request (10
of the original agreement on 25th July 2015:
I acknowledge receipt of your request under sections 77-79 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974; however I have been unable to locate the account under the details you have provided, as the reference number you have quoted does not match our records.
Therefore I respectfully request that you obtain the correct Cabot reference number and confirm any previous address we may hold for you and forward that information on to us in order for your request to be actioned.
Enc: £1 Postal Order"
This is indicative that Cabot Financial (UK) Limited have no knowledge of this claim to pursue.
12. On the 27th July 2015, a formal request for a copy of the original agreement to Cabot Financial (UK) Limited (Signed for Delivery) pursuant to section [77 or 78] of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 along with the statutory £1 fee was sent again
13. On 5th August 2015, Cabot Financial (UK) Limited sent a letter to the defendant advising:
“I can confirm that the reference number you have provided relates to Cabot Financial (Marlin) Limited and not our office, which is why I was unable to locate your account previously. I can confirm that I have now located your account and I am sorry for any inconvenience caused by this delay.”
Why does the Claim Form have the Claimant Details as “Cabot Financial (UK) Limited and NOT “Cabot Financial (Marlin) Limited”. Who is the real Claimant?
14. On 6th August 2015, the Defendant sent a request (Signed for Delivery) for inspection of documents mentioned in the claimant’s statement of case under Civil Procedure Rule 31.14 to Mortimer Solicitors again. The Defendant requested the Claimant provide copies of the Agreement and Notice of Assignment again.
9. Again Mortimer Solicitors has not sent any of these documents to the Defendant.
15. The Claimant has failed to comply with [s77 (1) / s 78 (1)] Consumer Credit Act 1974 and by virtue of [s77 (4) / s 78 (6)] Consumer Credit Act 1974 cannot enforce the agreement.
16: The Parties agreed to an extension to the time period allowed for filing of my defence under CPR 15.5 to allow the Claimants additional time to produce the relevant documentation to evidence their claim, however they have failed to do so.
17. Under Civil Procedure Rule 16.5 (4) Where the claim includes a money claim, a defendant shall be taken to require that any allegation relating to the amount of money claimed be proved unless he expressly admits the allegation. Therefore it is expected that the Claimant be required to prove the allegation that the money is owed as claimed.
18. I request the court orders the Claimants to provide the necessary documentation in order for me to fully plead my case else the Claim should stand struck out.
19. In the event that the relevant documents are received from the Claimants I will then be in a position to amend my defence, and would ask that the Claimants bear the costs of the amendment.
20. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief as claimed or at all.
Statement of Truth
The Defendant believes that the facts stated in this Defence are true.
Signed …………………………………………
Dated .............................................
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Re: CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with Opus. For the avoidance of doubt the Defendant puts the Claimant to strict proof of its allegations and requires the Claimant to produce the aforesaid agreement / contract which the Defendant is alleged to have agreed. The Defendant avers that the Claimants claim as pleaded is incapable of proof.Originally posted by Pos1tive View PostHi @FlamingParrot, good point, I will mention:
4: It is denied that the Defendant has previously entered into an agreement with OPUS for provision of credit.
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Re: CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
Hi [MENTION=37786]FlamingParrot[/MENTION], good point, I will mention:
4: It is denied that the Defendant has previously entered into an agreement with OPUS for provision of credit.
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Re: CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
You did, here: https://consumercreditlitigationandd...bot-financial/ :yo:Originally posted by pt2537 View PostOk easiest way to do it, is print the Defence, sign the statement of truth, then scan it, and email it to the CCBCDefendants email addy on the Court service website.
The Hayes case isnt reported but i have blogged about it if i recall correctly.
....and I quoted it here: http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...385#post558385 :grin:
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Ok easiest way to do it, is print the Defence, sign the statement of truth, then scan it, and email it to the CCBCDefendants email addy on the Court service website.Originally posted by Pos1tive View PostThanks @MissFM. Noted
@pt2537 @FlamingParrot @nemesis45
Any advice on if I should menton the fact HI did have an account wth Citi, which was then sold to OPus without ymy knowledge and now Cabot are trying to claim on it?
Looking to submit my defence tomo online.
Any last minute feedback would be appreciated. And thanks again! :tinysmile_twink_t2:
The Hayes case isnt reported but i have blogged about it if i recall correctly.
What i would say is, you dont need to say that you had an account with X or Y, its NOT for you to do the Claimants job for them. The Claimant carries the burden of proving his case, he should plead his case correctly, if he doesnt then ITS HIS PROBLEM NOT YOURS. If a claimant fails to get his claim right then he cant prove it at trial thus when you turn up at trial and say well wheres your opus agreement and they say AHHHH ITS A CITI one oops sorry, then your position is simply well im here on the premise that its a opus agreement, your case is its opus thus your claim fails.
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Re: CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
There is a paragraph that reads:Originally posted by Pos1tive View PostThanks @MissFM. Noted
@pt2537 @FlamingParrot @nemesis45
Any advice on if I should menton the fact HI did have an account wth Citi, which was then sold to OPus without ymy knowledge and now Cabot are trying to claim on it?
Looking to submit my defence tomo online.
Any last minute feedback would be appreciated. And thanks again! :tinysmile_twink_t2:
So he could say it is denied that the Defendant has previously entered into an agreement with Opus for provision of credit and he would be telling the truth because he never entered into any agreement with Opus, did he? It's not a question of selling it without his knowledge, it is the fact that their pleadings say he had an agreement with Opus which you did not, so they'll never be able to supply any documentary evidence of an agreement between him and Opus because it doesn't exist.4: [It is admitted/denied] that the Defendant has [previously] entered into [an agreement/agreements] with [Original Creditor /Claimant] for provision of credit.
The issue is not that Cabot are trying to claim it.
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If you had no knowledge of Opus being the successor to Citi then no, you do not acknowledge any liability to Opus and have had no contract with them.Originally posted by Pos1tive View PostThanks @MissFM. Noted
@pt2537 @FlamingParrot @nemesis45
Any advice on if I should menton the fact HI did have an account wth Citi, which was then sold to OPus without ymy knowledge and now Cabot are trying to claim on it?
Looking to submit my defence tomo online.
Any last minute feedback would be appreciated. And thanks again! :tinysmile_twink_t2:
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Thanks [MENTION=37303]MissFM[/MENTION]. Noted
[MENTION=551]pt2537[/MENTION] [MENTION=37786]FlamingParrot[/MENTION] [MENTION=55034]nemesis45[/MENTION]
Any advice on if I should menton the fact HI did have an account wth Citi, which was then sold to OPus without ymy knowledge and now Cabot are trying to claim on it?
Looking to submit my defence tomo online.
Any last minute feedback would be appreciated. And thanks again! :tinysmile_twink_t2:
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Re: CCJ from Mortimer Clarke on behalf of Cabot (OPUS Credit Card Debt sold to them)
Hi Positive,Originally posted by Pos1tive View PostI was going to mention these points:
6. The Claimants Particulars of Claim state that the account was “By an agreement between OPUS CREDIT CARD (OPUS) & the Defendant” I, the Defendant deny having any such agreement with OPUS unless proved.
Hope you don't mind me chipping in as a non-expert (and if the experts disagree or it's otherwise unhelpful please ignore).
Just wanted to say that, to me, the two words highlighted in red above ("unless proved") strike a majorly bum note, like the proverbial tarantula on a slice of angelfood cake, and I don't think they should be there. x
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