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Council Tax Reduction - Alleged Fraud for failing to declare change of capital

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  • Council Tax Reduction - Alleged Fraud for failing to declare change of capital

    Hi Everyone

    I’ve recently received a letter from the local council inviting me to an interview. Basically I’m going along very soon to an interview under caution at the council offices as they have alleged I have failed to declare capital so far as reduction in council tax for a number of years - 9 in fact. You have to tell them of a change of circumstances if capital increases or decreases. If you have over £16k I think it means you are no longer entitled to a reduction.

    They are making allegations under The council Tax reduction schemes(detection of fraud and enforcement) England regulations 2013.

    I’ve not earnt much money over the last ten years and Ive been mentally unwell with ptsd and have been entitled to reductions. Plus I have received money from the nhs in a civil claim but I don’t get care from them because they agreed the relationship broke down, so a large part of the capital I have is from the nhs and is needed for future private treatment I pay for. I cannot understand why and how they say I have not declared a change of circumstances as regards capital because it has been agreed that every six months they will review my situation and they ask me for bank information. This usually involves them asking for 3 months prior bank statements. I have always given them what they want.

    I feel that if my concern is true, this is not my problem because I’ve always given them what they want and the fact there may be times where they have under-estimated council tax support or over estimated it and particularly because they calculate everything based on what they ask me. Also they know it’s up to them to work out what is due or not in any given 6 month period and if they don’t review it properly and ensure the payments are based on a representation of the average figures of all bank statements or higher amounts of housing benefit, which I also get, when my earnings go drastically low, how can it be my issue. One year I reckoned they owed me £1500 as the assessment was twice a year and my earnings went drastically lower but I don’t query it because the admin is such a hassle.. They won’t come to you and say we owe you money. What they should do is ask for all bank statements and tie into your accounts or ask your account providers when you go above the £16k. I can’t be expected to micro manage every single week or day where I may go over the £16k for the very reason it necessitates a new calculation and it’s incredibly difficult to then keep track of these. So the twice a year idea is such they should seek all the information when they need it and make sure calcs are very accurate.

    There are rules that if they make the mistake then you don’t have to return the monies but my concern is they will rely on the duty to report change of circumstances. If my concerns turn out to be true, the failure here is their failure to seek all bank statements in the times I have gone over and it’s a wretch to then be asked to pay back, potentially, a large sum of money over a number of years.

    I feel the whole process is adversarial. They won’t tell me exactly what information they have before they interview me so I can prepare and it feels like entrapment. The fact they could ask me anything in the last 9 years makes it impossible to prepare for and they may draw adverse inferences from me declining questions. It also feels like a fishing expedition because I certainly did not have capital over £16k for the vast majority of the time. There was a repayment to them a few years back for excess capital but that was dealt with.

    I’d pay someone for some advice probably or if anyone knows if I can get help through legal aid but I’d welcome and thoughts and suggestions. At the moment this is making me suicidal.

    thanks for any help.

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  • #2
    Hi K147

    Welcome to LB

    Firstly, things always seem a lot worse, then they actually are.

    You have 'mitigating circumstances, health etc. What you need is some help to put across the 'mitigation', etc. Contact CAB, try to book an appointment, take all the documents that help your case. So they can contact the Council etc on your behalf and go from there. They can help with this.

    In the meantime, when you start thinking about it, do something you enjoy, i.e. listen to music, read a book etc.

    Update once you've spoken to CAB.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by echat11 View Post
      Hi K147

      Welcome to LB

      Firstly, things always seem a lot worse, then they actually are.

      You have 'mitigating circumstances, health etc. What you need is some help to put across the 'mitigation', etc. Contact CAB, try to book an appointment, take all the documents that help your case. So they can contact the Council etc on your behalf and go from there. They can help with this.

      In the meantime, when you start thinking about it, do something you enjoy, i.e. listen to music, read a book etc.

      Update once you've spoken to CAB.
      I went to CAB bureau and they said they cannot help as not a civil matter even though that’s rubbish as it could end up being a civil claim against me - usual passing the buck at CAB. I think they have more skills in doing this to whittle down those they help, than actual help itself.

      Referred me to home contents policy legal insurers. Called them today and not covered - only employment, personal injury ie certain classes of case.

      Phoned a load of solicitors - unhelpful and dont deal under legal aid and not similar to free representations of criminal cases at police stations, apparently, which are under legal aid. I would have thought it would be covered under legal aid if it’s a PACE interview but obviously they choose not to deal with such cases. One guy wanted £750 and I’d pay it but no idea if value for money.

      I just want to kill myself.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by K147 View Post

        I went to CAB bureau and they said they cannot help as not a civil matter even though that’s rubbish as it could end up being a civil claim against me - usual passing the buck at CAB. I think they have more skills in doing this to whittle down those they help, than actual help itself.

        Referred me to home contents policy legal insurers. Called them today and not covered - only employment, personal injury ie certain classes of case.

        Phoned a load of solicitors - unhelpful and dont deal under legal aid and not similar to free representations of criminal cases at police stations, apparently, which are under legal aid. I would have thought it would be covered under legal aid if it’s a PACE interview but obviously they choose not to deal with such cases. One guy wanted £750 and I’d pay it but no idea if value for money.

        I just want to kill myself.
        That's not great from CAB.

        These people specialize in DWP matters. It is up to you if you call them.
        They do an initial assessment free, so take advantage of the free assessment.
        It's up to you if you use them or not.
        Their fees are on their website.

        https://benefitlegalservices.com/int...under-caution/

        https://marymonson.co.uk/
        (free case review)

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        • #5
          Hi K147

          Thanks for sharing your situation with us, I can only imagine how scary this must be for you with your health issues.
          Do you have any family or friends who could attend the interview and keep a record of what was said/alleged? Have they said exactly what they allege has been undeclared?

          If you want to email me at admin@legalbeagles.info I can try and find you some local help. X

          Most importantly, look after yourself and keep yourself safe by talking to your GP/Health visitor asap soon as possible to make them aware you are facing this new problem - you will need extra support through this.
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