RLP letter- under 18, help..

[candidissou]

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[MENTION=49370]Kati[/MENTION] Nice to know that some english people can speak french! Yeah well, i'll tell them.. Thank you again, and I'll probably come back the next time I get a beautiful letter..

[Kati]

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[MENTION=52391]candidissou[/MENTION] Mon Français n'est peut-être pas grammaticalement parfaite, mais c'est compréhensible. :tinysmile_twink_t2:

Have a read through the attachment before you tell your parents - pages 1 and 2 especially:

4.Why does RLP write to the juvenile and not their parents?
If RLP wrote to the parents it would be an infringement of the juvenile’s rights, (similar to that of doctor/patient confidentiality). RLP advises the juvenile to discuss the matter with their parents or guardian who can assist in their best interests. (It is a fundamental principle of data protection that the Data Protection Act confers rights on the data subject i.e. the juvenile. Juveniles have the same rights as adults under Article 8 of the Human Rights Act to respect for private and family life and in relation to correspondence. Disclosing sensitive personal data relating to a juvenile without consent or the grounds to do so would be a breach of their human rights, as well as their data protection rights.) This needs to be balanced with the juvenile’s ability to understand their rights and consideration of the best interests of the juvenile. Where there is any doubt, or where parents are already aware of the incident, the client reporting the case for civil recovery will advise RLP who will write to the parents as well as the juvenile

As I have previously said, it is my opinion that you should not reply to the letters. I know you have learnt from your mistake, and that you are determined it will not happen again.

If you need any more advice, you are more than welcome to ask :tinysmile_grin_t:

Kati xx

[candidissou]

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[MENTION=49370]Kati[/MENTION] , my problem is that they send the letter to my parents' address, where I live. Which means that even if the letter is to my name, they will see it so I mean...
This is why I wanted to write them a letter telling that I moved in with my boyfriend or whatever, and give his flat's address.

Votre francais est très bien! xx

[wales01man]

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Rekuctant.

Its not a Fine from RLP they are not the Police or Courts they are a private company

[Johnboy007]

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JB We all agree its stealing and as such any Fine?or punishment MUST be handed out by the Courts after investigation by the Police not an invoice sent out by the likes of RLP.

The OP has we hope learnt a lesson but having been in Primark I wonder why anyone steals the crap they sell.

Hi Wales,
Same old story mate.
They do the crime, but don't want to do the time.
They are 16 now and not little kids any longer.
So they knew right from wrong.
If it was blatant shoplifting and they got caught, then tough.
Primark may sell (in your opinion) crap, but that's all a lot of people can afford
I was not a goody goody in my teens. But when I got caught, I didn't whinge about it, or expect someone to bail me out of trouble.
Shoplifting is rife in the UK now, and it's one reason why prices are high, and why shops are full of CCTV cameras .
Someone has to pay for the losses, and it's the likes of you and me mate.
Sorry to sound so hard on this issue, but it was blatant.
They will probably get off, without having to pay anything.

[Kati]

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@Kati , my problem is that they send the letter to my parents' address, where I live. Which means that even if the letter is to my name, they will see it so I mean...
This is why I wanted to write them a letter telling that I moved in with my boyfriend or whatever, and give his flat's address.

Votre francais est très bien! xx

You could do this ... but I believe that they will escalate their attempts if you contact them.

Is there a real chance that your parents would open a letter addressed to you?? If "yes", then I would advise you to explain what happened (but only if you want to). If "no", then 'ignorance is bliss' (Ce que vous ne connaissez pas ne peut pas vous faire mal) - you wouldn't have to tell them what the letters are about :tinysmile_twink_t2:

Kati x

[wales01man]

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JB
I accept its a Crime to shoplift but it should be dealt with by the Police and courts RLP are neither.
We must always ask why Primark or other retailers do not call the Police?

[des8]

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Been out all morning and just arrived home>
I see the advice being given is in lie with my first post (thank goodness)
I understand RLP's harassment lasts about 8 months, before they finally give up.
This comment (the fight to get them reduced needs to be well thought out.) is IMO wrong, All you need to do is ignore UNLESS you receive genuine court papers and since the "Oxford Case" RLP don't do court. They were bitten once and now are quite shy of court.

You're biggest problem is domestic (good luck there) and then convincing your parents they should not contact RLP.
As everyone says, if you need help , come back.
... et si voulez vous ecrire en Francaise, Kati n'est pas le seul.....
and that's 40 years after last using it!

[des8]

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Hi Wales,
Same old story mate.
They do the crime, but don't want to do the time.
They are 16 now and not little kids any longer.
So they knew right from wrong.
If it was blatant shoplifting and they got caught, then tough.
Primark may sell (in your opinion) crap, but that's all a lot of people can afford
I was not a goody goody in my teens. But when I got caught, I didn't whinge about it, or expect someone to bail me out of trouble.
Shoplifting is rife in the UK now, and it's one reason why prices are high, and why shops are full of CCTV cameras .
Someone has to pay for the losses, and it's the likes of you and me mate.
Sorry to sound so hard on this issue, but it was blatant.
They will probably get off, without having to pay anything.

Why when dealing superbly with employment matters do you insist that people follow "procedures", but when it comes to criminal cases you think it is right for people like RLP to tear up the rules and proceed as they wish.
The law is there to be followed, not circumvented by lowlife security people who disguise their penalties as costs.

[Johnboy007]

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Why when dealing superbly with employment matters do you insist that people follow "procedures", but when it comes to criminal cases you think it is right for people like RLP to tear up the rules and proceed as they wish.
The law is there to be followed, not circumvented by lowlife security people who disguise their penalties as costs.

Point taken Des

But at the end of the day, people I try to help on Employment issues have not committed criminal offences in the vast majority of cases.
If they have done so, then I tell them as it is, and not how they want to hear.:colbert:
Yes RLP are just like the other money grabbing swine out there, but the OP has an advantage, in that she doesn't live in the UK.
The OP came to this country and she abused the system, now she wants 'an out' from her parents finding out.
I don't recall seeing the words 'Sorry Primark'.
Regards JB

[Kati]

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Just to clarify the situation :tinysmile_twink_t2:

No police were called

As the police were not involved there cannot be a 'crime' as such - RLP are seeking redress for expenses (in my opinion)

we gave our ID, gave the items that we have stolen, they took a picture, and then he asked us our email address saying that if our parents aren't checking on it, then we're lucky because they won't know about it.

The items were returned = no theft, just attempted theft (again, my opinion)

I believe this was a one time thing, and as the goods were returned there should be no further action in this case. The OP is only sixteen - I'm sure both her and her boyfriend have learnt a lesson from the whole thing (and will also do other silly things as they grow up) - and seeing as they live in France, I do not think they will be doing any more shoplifting from Primark any time soon :tinysmile_twink_t2:.

[wales01man]

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JB And I was beginning to think you were siding with RLP.
I will not condone lawbreaking,break the law and take the punishment from the LAW

[candidissou]

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[MENTION=39710]des8[/MENTION] ,pleased that you can speak french ! trop trop fort!
and thank you for your advices, i'll ignore the letters unless it is court papers.
[MENTION=50162]Johnboy007[/MENTION] ,I didn't understand much a part from the fact that you didn't ask for help whereas I did.
[MENTION=956]Katy[/MENTION] ,thank you again for your reply... yeah, we surely learnt from that. and there are indeed no primark in South of France.
[MENTION=30456]wales01man[/MENTION], so you recommand that I pay or what?
It's all so confusing though

[wales01man]

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I do NOT recommend you pay you owe them nothing they are not the Police Just learn the lesson

[Kati]

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Candidissou - there was no court case, no police, no theft as such (you gave the goods back). I would still advise that you ignore the letters from RLP. Advice on LB can be confusing (we all have our own personal views - which is how we give our advice) but I believe the consensus of opinion here is that there is not a lot RLP can do to make you pay their 'fees' seeing as you are not a UK national (and live in France).

You made a mistake, and have learnt from it. You are not being chased as a result of you not returning any items. Police were not involved.

Kati x