Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

[CleverClogs]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

I have drafted the letter above which includes;

Need I remind you, financial gain is NOT permitted by Civil Recovery, I would like a breakdown of all alleged charges and how you met the figure which you claim I owe – which you noted in your first letter to me as being the value of the loss, compensation to your client for the investigation, security and administration costs.

as of yet, I have received no breakdown of how they arrived at the figure

I still believe that you would do better to obtain free legal representation or, as labman suggested, see the duty solicitor at your local CAB (link)

[labman]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

You won't receive a breakdown. If you read the Oxford case, the real figures were gained in a way akin to pulling teeth. They won't volunteer them readily.

[beagleman]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

I am thinking, just ignore it and wait for the court date, if any.

[charitynjw]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

DON'T MENTION IT!!!!!!!!! lol

http://www.nasw.org/users/nbauman/arkell.htm





Probably exactly what you want to say, but ...........

Spoilsport! :tung:

[beagleman]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

I've had a think - I think I am just going to reply, and basically say, I am unable to respond further until all evidence has been put forward to me.

Is this wise? It's asking them to take the next step, and actually go ahead with some of their threats, and not just insist on me paying

EDIT:

My new letter, short and sweet, or bad idea?

29 July 2013

Dear Victoria Jones,

Your Ref: 137804

Thank you for your letter dated 24 July 2013, in which you claim to enclose an extract bearing my signature against any items taken from Game Retail Ltd, which is untrue – there are not documents enclosed which indeed bear my signature, nor state any items taken from Game Retail Ltd.

I am not able to take your claim seriously, nor will I be paying you for it – if you were to involve a solicitor, please supply any and all evidence in which you intend to rely to me as soon as possible, as my pre-action protocol request, which I made in my previous letter.

Yours

[des8]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

FWIW I think that on this site we sometimes lose sight of the real problem and go down side tracks. Doing this we can make the situation seem scarier than it is to the original poster, who may not be aware that regulars to LB sometimes go off at tangents.
In beagleman's instance we are looking at a breach of employment contract, which seems to have cost his employers next to nothing although he has resigned his job in consequence.
Employers, by using CRS are trying to claim the money beagleman made, and some "associated" costs belongs to them.
On this site we are trying to second guess what CRS may or may not do and I think we are making it seem more complicated than it is.
I would let CRS carry on issuing their threats, and as we do with PPCs await for any court action that might arise. In that event we will know what their case is (if any) and advise accordingly.
But hey, what do I know, I've only just become a Jack Russell

[beagleman]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

FWIW I think that on this site we sometimes lose sight of the real problem and go down side tracks. Doing this we can make the situation seem scarier than it is to the original poster, who may not be aware that regulars to LB sometimes go off at tangents.
In beagleman's instance we are looking at a breach of employment contract, which seems to have cost his employers next to nothing although he has resigned his job in consequence.
Employers, by using CRS are trying to claim the money beagleman made, and some "associated" costs belongs to them.
On this site we are trying to second guess what CRS may or may not do and I think we are making it seem more complicated than it is.
I would let CRS carry on issuing their threats, and as we do with PPCs await for any court action that might arise. In that event we will know what their case is (if any) and advise accordingly.
But hey, what do I know, I've only just become a Jack Russell

Thanks, I have been worried sick and a bit of realistic foresight is just what I needed. I just REALISTICALLY need to know, if I were to ignore them, what is the likelihood of them pursuing me?

I have had parking tickets before...in which I ignored from the offset, and after threatening with court action etc. then eventually stopped - is this a similar situation?

[Guest]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

Perhaps something simpler like

Dear Ms Jones

Ref your letter xxxxxx

I must admit to being a little confused with the contents of this letter, you say you are not a solicitor yet you appear to be acting for my ex employer in recovering damages.

I fail to see how you arrive at the conclusion that I am legally bound to pay any such sums, nor given your admitted lack of legal expertise how you could hope to site legal cause for any such contention.

Suffice to say that I consider that my ex employers have suffered no actual losses by my actions and assuredly incurred no actionable damages under law.

Yours

[des8]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

Sorry, but can't say if they will try court.
If you pay now, they won't.
I would not pay. I would wait and see.
If they go to court it will be a small claims deal, so even if they win they will not be able to charge astronomical costs.
If they go to court, you will know exactly on what they base their claim and you will be able to construct your defence, with or without help from this site.
I personally think it unlikely they would go to court but you never know.
They are trying to frighten you into paying, and to some extent this site assists them by discussing all sorts of scary legalistic scenarios which not everyone (ALL present readers excepted ) understand.
If you have no intention of paying (and why should you) I would not enter into correspondence with them. They will think they have hooked you and continue to send inaccurate scary letters. Tell them to put up or shut up. Wait for court papers.

NB I have no legal qualifications and speak from experience only!!
Good luck

[MissFM]

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Well - at the high risk of being squelched:

I agree with Des and Andy (I am, tho, but a humble Retriever with no legal training ).

The longer the letter, the less likely they are to read it (or absorb the message) but it's often helpful to "lay a paper trail" just in case and to keep it short and sharp - ie a stout, factual denial such as Andy has drafted above.

My personal view, FWIW, is that this whole thing is full of red herrings - it's a massive conjuring trick and the employer "Game" (lol) is also being played like a fish.

The "not for resale" clause could, for example, only refer to retail trade. How would MacDonalds free "not for resale" toys and the like be doing such a brisk internet trade otherwise? As a private person you can sell anything you like as far as I understand (!)

Beagle was invited to help himself to some things because they were to be thrown away anyway and hey ho he helped himself to a few more. They would have finished up in landfill otherwise, or maybe another entrepreneur would have done as Beagle did and liberated them. No loss to employer and ridiculous to try to make any more of it - the CR people are playing both sides against the middle. A complete fraud!

IMVHO:tinysmile_kiss_t4:

[labman]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

They are trying to frighten you into paying, and to some extent this site assists them by discussing all sorts of scary legalistic scenarios which not everyone understands.

I could not agree more des. That is precisely why, when all sorts of criminal actions were being bandied about, I felt I had to step in and say something. Sure, the OP wouldn't lose much if they went through the County Courts, if anything (and if (BIG IF) they take them to court). However, if they pursued criminal action as was being mentioned, they would risk potentially huge costs.

I agree fully that discussion of all sorts of legalistic scenarios is entirely unhelpful, as I said when I first re-entered this discussion today.

[CleverClogs]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

Dear Ms Jones

Ref your letter xxxxxx

I must admit to being a little confused with the contents of this letter, you say you are not a solicitor yet you appear to be acting for my ex employer in recovering damages.

I fail to see how you arrive at the conclusion that I am legally bound to pay any such sums, nor given your admitted lack of legal expertise how you could hope to cite legal cause for any such contention.

Suffice to say that I consider that my former employers have suffered no actual losses by my actions and assuredly incurred no actionable damages under law.

Yours

Two slight corrections. :grin:

[CleverClogs]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

However, if they pursued criminal action as was being mentioned, they would risk potentially huge costs.

By prosecuting CRS privately? That could be horrendously expensive in itself and, considering the burden of proof in a criminal case, about as likely to succeed as the Pope would be to convert to Islam.

[beagleman]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

Think I will go with a reply like Andy has suggested keep it simple

[bluebottle]

Re: Caught Stealing from Work, Letter from CRS

FWIW I think that on this site we sometimes lose sight of the real problem and go down side tracks. Doing this we can make the situation seem scarier than it is to the original poster, who may not be aware that regulars to LB sometimes go off at tangents.
In beagleman's instance we are looking at a breach of employment contract, which seems to have cost his employers next to nothing although he has resigned his job in consequence.
Employers, by using CRS are trying to claim the money beagleman made, and some "associated" costs belongs to them.
On this site we are trying to second guess what CRS may or may not do and I think we are making it seem more complicated than it is.
I would let CRS carry on issuing their threats, and as we do with PPCs await for any court action that might arise. In that event we will know what their case is (if any) and advise accordingly.
But hey, what do I know, I've only just become a Jack Russell

Strangely, Des, I tend to agree with you. It sounds like you are suggesting letting CRS and Game hang themselves, which I would go along with. And, yes, you are correct, as Andy is, this is an employment contract matter, not anything a civil court would have any involvement in.