Caught shoplifting

[bluebottle]

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Should we send them some rope?

What, so they can tie themselves up in knots?

[UKFLYER]

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This is the latest letter i have received. Im really getting worried now. Should i just phone them and make a payment or not?I do appreciate all of your help but to be quite honest,do not really understand all the jargon. What i think i need if im to do this is possably a template letter. Please can you help.

[bluebottle]

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This is the latest letter i have received. Im really getting worried now. Should i just phone them and make a payment or not?I do appreciate all of your help but to be quite honest,do not really understand all the jargon. What i think i need if im to do this is possably a template letter. Please can you help.

Could site team remove post as personal details visible on attachments.

[wales01man]

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Surely these numpties wont spend money to try and pyrsue £87.50 they are claiming there should be a law against these threats that i would suspect would not be carried out after all its a criminal offence to threaten to hit someone?

[CleverClogs]

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Surely these numpties wont spend money to try and pyrsue £87.50 they are claiming there should be a law against these threats that i would suspect would not be carried out after all its a criminal offence to threaten to hit someone?

Threatening to thump someone is usually a criminal offence.

It is, however, not a crime to threaten to sue someone, regardless of how inadequate the claimant's case might be. Nor is it a crime to threaten to lumber someone with the costs of litigation, even if they would be unlikely to be awarded.

It might be best to get a pro bono solicitor and/or pro bono barrister to remind RLP of their lost case in Oxford.

[Guest]

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We know that these people read the forum, what they want is to convince the OP that it would be in her best interests to settle.

I think it is a mistake to advise anyone on a course of action but if it were me i would ignore it, i seem to remember the OP sending a comprehensive reply earlier in the thread, really there is nothing to "negotiate".

Sounds like they are getting desperate to me.

But it has to be the OP's decision of course.

D

[bluebottle]

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It is an offence to make unwarranted demands by use of menaces, i.e. threats. A CR company would have to prove it and its clients had a right in law to make the threats of legal action and that the threats were a proper means of enforcing the demands. The onus is on the claimant, not the defendant. Following the Oxford CC hearing and other case law, this is going to be very difficult.

Free legal advice is available from local Law Centres.

[wales01man]

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I knew it wasnt an offence i asked that that it should be thankfully if people read the excellent advice on here they can be assured these are idle threats i for one are disgusted by the way these companies try to scare people into paying i like many ignore the threats and dont lose sleep but i feel for thse who suffer from the threats it seems we are only a tiny way from the debtors prison and workhouse of old just need to move into the 21st century as regards how we treat people who make mistakes and find themselves in debt or in the situation as the OP with RLP

[Guest]

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I think that it is disgusting the way that this organisation uses the vulnerability of people to make money.
They know that people like us, like the OP, arn't financially secure, and the trade on that insecurity to get us to pay money that is not owed against the threat of having to pay even more if we don't.

What is the situation with this at the moment UKflyer. They say they have had no responses, but from reading the thread it seems that they have but have just ignored them, is this the case?

D

[Guest]

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Perhaps if you feel you should respond something like this may suit, anyone please feel free to correct, or amend.

Dear Sirs
Ref your letter dated xx xx xx
Your REF xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Contrary to your assertions I have attempted to contact you several times regarding this matter and on each occasion my correspondence has been ignored.
As far as I am concerned the incident you refer to in your letter was resolved in the store, the items in question were paid for and no legal cause for action exists. Your claim therefore is groundless.
Should you nevertheless wish to continue an explanation of how my actions caused, "a substantial disruption to its business” would be required
I would refer you when estimating those damages to a similar case, “A Retailer -v- Ms B and Ms K 2012,” where Judge Charles Harris QC held that; “The claimant in the instant case has not established either that the staff in question were not “significantly diverted from their usual activities” or that there was “any significant disruption to its business” which, in this type of case, may amount to the same thing. Nor was there any loss of revenue generation. “

In respect of this, and in accordance to my earlier request, I again ask for a breakdown of any actual costs incurred by your client under cpr guidelines, as you yourself point out failure to provide this information could prejudice any future actions on your part.
Yours

[bluebottle]

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Perhaps if you feel you should respond something like this may suit, anyone please feel free to correct, or amend.

Dear Sirs
Ref your letter dated xx xx xx
Your REF xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Contrary to your assertions I have attempted to contact you several times regarding this matter and on each occasion my correspondence has been ignored.
As far as II am concerned the incident you refer to in your letter was resolved in the store, the items in question were paid for and no legal cause for action exists. Your claim therefore is groundless.
Should you nevertheless wish to continue you would need to offer an explanation of how my actions caused a “substantial disruption to its business.”
I would refer you when estimating those damages to a similar case, “A Retailer -v- Ms B and Ms K 2012,” where Judge Charles Harris QC held that; “The claimant in the instant case has not established either that the staff in question were not “significantly diverted from their usual activities” or that there was “any significant disruption to its business” which, in this type of case, may amount to the same thing. Nor was there any loss of revenue generation. “
In respect of this and as per my earlier request, I require a breakdown of any actual costs incurred by your client under cpr guidelines, as you yourself point out failure to provide this information could prejudice any future actions on your part.
Yours

I don't think that needs any amendment, Davy. It's short, sharp and says what needs to be said.

[UKFLYER]

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I have today,received this letter from RLP. I sent the letter davyb drafted for me and the result is this letter. I want to thank everybody who has helped me and to say that the information you have given me was fantastic. I hope this may help others in the future.

Thank you so much once again.

[Guest]

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Hi
I seem to be having a good day today, along with BB of course.

Thanks for getting back to us with this, as you say it will help encourage others who are being intimidated by these people.

D

[Guest]

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Hi again

Just reading the letter that came with their gracious withdrawal .

They mention something i hadn't seen before, that is costs uncured after the alleged act, ie looking through footage of the cctv, preparing statements.
I strikes me though that these costs were not the result of the tort, they were actions taken in order to litigate, hardly the same thing and not recoverable under common law.

Unless of course the case is won and these charges are included in any costs award. Grasping at straws i think.

D

[bluebottle]

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Hi again

Just reading the letter that came with their gracious withdrawal .

They mention something i hadn't seen before, that is costs uncured after the alleged act, ie looking through footage of the cctv, preparing statements.
I strikes me though that these costs were not the result of the tort, they were actions taken in order to litigate, hardly the same thing and not recoverable under common law.

Unless of course the case is won and these charges are included in any costs award. Grasping at straws i think.

D

Sounds more like a case of RLP knowing they've been caught out but not wanting to admit it. Nice one that you spotted the miscellaneous costs they tried to justify. It's almost as if their dodgy business model is slowly falling apart.