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  • #76
    Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

    Received this afternoon from those helpful people at the CAA:
    23 July 2014

    RE: Jet2

    We are writingbecause you contacted us about a disrupted flight. You might have seen coveragein the press about a recent court ruling about treatment of technical faults. Ifyour flight was disrupted due to a technical fault, you could be affected bythis court case and we thought you might welcome some clarification of how thisjudgement affects your case.

    The ruling inquestion is Jet2 v Huzar, and was handed down by the Court of Appeal on11 June. Jet2 have now sought leave for a further appeal, so the final impactmay not be clear for many months yet. However,as it now stands, the “extraordinary circumstances” exemption is still in thelaw, but will be narrower as it will not apply to the kind of technicalproblems that are normal in running an airline. The Court decided that thetechnical fault in the case, namely a wiring defect in the fuel valve circuitwhich could not have been prevented by prior maintenance or prior visualinspection, was not “extraordinary”, and compensation was due.

    Unfortunately,there will continue to be a period of uncertainty until the Supreme Court makesa decision on whether it will hear the appeal. We expect that decision to betaken later this year. If the Supreme Court refuses the appeal, then thecurrent judgment will apply. If the Supreme Court accepts that it will hear theappeal, then it will take some time until the case is actually heard, and itsjudgment issued.

    If yourcompensation claim was for a flight which was disrupted due to a technicalproblem with the aircraft then you may wish to raise your complaint again withyour airline and get confirmation that it will reassess your claim followingfurther clarification from the Supreme Court. If your airline is unwilling toaccept your claim, you could consider whether you wish to take the case to alocal County Court.

    Should you wishto consider taking Court action, it will be important for you to understand anyCourt action has to be started with your claim being lodged with the Courtwithin 6 years of the date of the flight. The court will not hear claims thathave been lodged outside of this period.
    We are not ableto provide you with legal advice in respect of your claim, but you can get guidance on commencing court proceedings from your local Citizens' Advice Bureauor the Court Service. Pleaserefer to the information provided via the following links:
    -http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/law_e/law_legal_system_e/law_taking_legal_action_e/small_claims.htm
    -https://www.gov.uk/make-court-claim-for-money/overview
    -http://www.justice.gov.uk/about/hmcts/

    You should beaware that, until the Supreme Court makes a decision on whether it will hearJet2’s appeal, any action you take through the courts may be stayed. You shouldalso be aware that, if the Supreme Court decides to hear the appeal, they maytake a different decision to the Court of Appeal.

    To confirm, your case has been handled and closed by the CAA and regretfully on this occasionwe are unable to assist you further. I hope that this information has beenhelpful.
    Yours sincerely,
    Harriet Merna
    Consumer Affairs Officer
    Market andConsumers Group
    Civil AviationAuthority
    CAA House,45-59 Kingsway, London WC2B 6TE
    Telephone: 0207453 6888
    http://www.caa.co.uk

    Case closed as far as the CAA is concerned.

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    • #77
      Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

      Another thread about this.
      http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/thou...ze=10#comments

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      • #78
        Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

        From the Supreme Court.
        http://supremecourt.uk/news/jet2-v-huzar.html

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        • #79
          Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

          Originally posted by supermac9 View Post
          The panel will reach a decision on whether the linked appeals should proceed to a full hearing. It is anticipated that this decision will be made by early November 2014.

          If permission is granted, there will then be a full hearing at the Supreme Court, probably sometime during the first half of 2015. The Court's judgment would then follow a few weeks after the hearing.
          #staysafestayhome

          Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

          Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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          • #80
            Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

            Get those floodgates open!

            http://www.supremecourt.uk/news/flig...istration.html

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            • #81
              Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

              Something from the Civil Aviation Authority on this matter:
              http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...etail&nid=2398
              :clap2:

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              • #82
                Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

                Jet2 getting their wallet open:
                http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mar...rt-ruling.html

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                • #83
                  Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

                  ....and there's more....
                  http://www.theguardian.com/money/201...s-delayed-paid

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                  • #84
                    Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

                    Just when I thought it was safe to go in the water, the Ministry of Complicated Answers (the Civil Aviation Authority) have sent this email through to me:

                    Thank you for your further correspondence and our apologies for the delay in replying.

                    As you mentioned further correspondence from Jet2 regarding your claim, may I ask you to send us a copy of it for our records?


                    I understand Jet2 has advised you they are ‘staying’ your claim in light of a court case, KLM v Van der Lans, which has been referred by the Dutch Court to the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU). This case is likely to be heard by the CJEU in Spring 2015 with the final ruling expected later in 2015.

                    You may be aware there has been a similar court case in the UK. On the 11th June 2014 the Court of Appeal issued a decision in the Jet2 v Huzar case and found that ordinary technical problems that cause flight disruption, such as component failure and general wear and tear, should not be considered an ‘extraordinary circumstance’ and compensation would be payable in these cases.

                    Jet2 sought leave to appeal from the Supreme Court. On 31st October 2014 the Supreme Court announced they had decided to refuse Jet2 permission to appeal the ruling. Therefore the Court of Appeal Judgment applies.

                    The CAA considers that airlines should now pay compensation for flight disruptions that fall within the scope of the Huzar ruling and most airlines are paying. However several County Courts have already granted ‘stays’ on the basis of the ‘KLM v Van der Lans’ case, which means currently it is unclear whether there is a sound legal basis for further delay for claims not currently lodged at Court. The CAA will be monitoring the decisions of the courts closely.

                    Jet2 has advised that they will not be handling your case until the outcome of the CJEU Judgment.

                    We will reopen your case but for the reasons outlined above, we are currently unable to progress your case at this stage. We will be in touch when the position is clearer to advise you how we will be taking your claim forward.

                    If you are not happy with this outcome, you may wish to take the case to a local County Court. We are not able to provide you with legal advice in respect of your claim, but you can get guidance on commencing court proceedings from your local Citizens' Advice Bureau or the Court Service. Please refer to the information provided via the following links:

                    - http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/englan...all_claims.htm

                    - https://www.gov.uk/make-court-claim-for-money/overview

                    - http://www.justice.gov.uk/about/hmcts/

                    You should be aware that, until the CJEU issues a Judgment, any action you take through the courts may be stayed. You should also be aware that, the CJEU may take a different decision to the UK Court of Appeal.

                    Currently your claim relates to a flight disruption less than 5 years ago. However the legal process can take some time and you should be aware that in the UK the limitation period to take a claim to court is 6 years. If the legal process does end up taking some years, you may wish to bear in mind the 6 year time limit if you are considering County Court action.

                    To confirm we are holding your claim until the CJEU issues a Judgment and we will review the position at that stage. At that time we will be in touch to advise you further. Any further updates will also be available on our website as the following link;

                    www.caa.co.uk/passengercomplaints

                    Also I would like to explain that our enforcement powers do not cover obtaining redress for individual consumers and we do not have legal powers to impose a solution on an airline in the way that an ombudsman type scheme does.

                    Our powers, under the Enterprise Act 2002, are to take a_ction to ensure businesses change their practices and comply with the law for the benefit of consumers generally. As with legal action in general, the burden of proof is high and the process can take many months.

                    Yours sincerely,

                    Marion Sautereau
                    Consumer Affairs Officer
                    passengercomplaints@caa.co.uk

                    I should know better than to expect a straight answer from the CAA, who wriggle their way out of things as well as Jet2 and the rest of those airlines who think that the recent decision of the Court of Appeal/Supreme Court can simply be ignored.

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                    • #85
                      Flight Cancellation compensation

                      Latest letter from Jet2, who clearly seem to think that the Supreme Court are wrong and can simply be ignored.
                      I'm now at the stage where legal action is my only option, although I will hang fire pending a case to be heard in Liverpool on 25th February which will ask for a stay to be lifted in relation to a Jet2 case. If the stay is lifted (and there is no logical reason why it shouldn't be), this can apply to all other cases and will leave the way clear for legal action to be commenced.
                      I expect Jet2 will try to ignore the decision if it goes against them!
                      Attached Files

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                      • #86
                        Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

                        An interesting article which refers to the Van der Lans case, which Jet2 are trying to rely on to prevent stays being lifted on cases currently in the court system.
                        http://www.flygadvokaten.com/en/turb...elled-flights/

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                        • #87
                          Flight Cancellation compensation

                          More drivel from Jet2.com - they are a funny bunch!:tinysmile_cry_t:
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                          • #88
                            Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

                            Allen v Jet2 case heard at Liverpool County Court today, judgement expected at 10.30am tomorrow (26th February).
                            The good money is on Jet2 losing, but as with lots of other things that they lose, they won't let this stop them defying the law of the land and appealing/ignoring etc. Jet2 can clearly take no notice of the decisions of the Court of Appeal and Supreme Court without sanction, although if the Allen case goes against them, I expect their lawyers to be very very busy defending endless cases in Liverpool. I hope it costs them a fortune (which they can them pass on to their passengers!). :lalala:

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                            • #89
                              Re: Flight Cancellation compensation

                              Thanks Supermac for the heads up - look forward to the judgment.
                              #staysafestayhome

                              Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

                              Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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                              • #90
                                Flight Cancellation compensation

                                The outcome:
                                http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31641645

                                http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/Details/53300

                                http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...payout-5237914
                                Last edited by supermac9; 27th February 2015, 13:28:PM. Reason: Update

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