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  • Advice on SAR and PPI reclaim

    Hello!

    I've been a lurker here for a long time but this is the first time I've posted anything. I'm looking for some advice regarding Marks and Spencer (if you've already seen this on MSE I apologise!)

    I sent a SAR to M&S in December with very little information to go by: all I could remember was the argument with the OH about the relative merits of the card. As I'd moved house, M&S had to confirm my identity and over the weekend I received their response to the SAR. It included:

    1) Copy of application form: my details, my signature, the works - I'm impressed because it was such a long time ago.
    2) Copy of rear of application form: shows M&S address and 1/4 of Terms and Conditions
    3) List of abbreviations
    4) Printed reports from M&S systems (CARDPAC) with various data
    5) List of transactions (partial)

    The SAR was very specific - it asked for all records, agreements, contracts, etc. between myself and M&S. It also asked for all details and correspondence between M&S and any third parties (such as insurance underwriters), the correspondence between M&S and myself, a list to transactions, and if the data has been deleted, confirmation of how, when and why it was deleted. To my mind, very little of this is included in their response.

    My first question is how should I respond? It's clear that they have not complied with the SAR and it's clear that they have extensive records to hand. The reports from their internal systems reveal that the account is open and active and the credit limit is £5000. It also shows that I am in credit by 3p. It includes data on two missed payments - it even lists their dates and the amounts! It also tells me that the account was last maintained in Sept 2010 (which is news to me as the account was meant to have been closed). The amount of data is quite extensive and although it's not clearly explained, I can work out most of the information contained. There's even an insurance page that details how much my last premium was and when the insurance ended (4 years ago when I turned 65)

    Please can somebody offer a little guidance? To my mind the pertinent issues are:
    1) Where is the remainder of the information (such as the full T&Cs, the information sent by post to me after telling me how to cancel, etc)?
    2) Why is no data available on a live account? Surely if the account has not been closed and remains active (I'm still eligible for the credit limit) then it should list the transactions etc.
    3) How much more specific should I be in any follow up letter? Or is there somebody else to whom I should write to get information?

    At the moment I'm still thinking about what's been sent and I've looked at the provisions set out by the FSA, etc. and it's clear that M&S are liable. I've also managed to speak to somebody at the BIBA (children were at university together) and they've said it's a clear enough case of mis-selling.

    Thanks in advance :tinysmile_grin_t:

    Thanks in advance.
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  • #2
    Re: Advice on SAR and PPI reclaim

    Hi and welcome

    I would write back and ask if there is anything further they will be sending you.

    With one of mine it arrived at 2 separate times, in the post, in-fact a week after I received the first package.

    I would definately contact them just to check though, so if you give their data dept a phone call and they say there is nothing further, maybe you could write a further letter and confirm what you was expecting as shown on the SAR.

    They are supposed to keep data for the last 6 years at least.

    I know it can vary from one bank/business to the other, where some may still hold data even going back earlier than the 6 years, but do check with them.

    How long ago was it when you opened the account?

    You could also mention on your letter, that you will be considering contacting the Information Commissioners Office (ICO) on this matter further if they fail to provide you with further data your entitled to, unless they have a reasonable explanation to why they're unable to provide it.

    For more details on the ICO below.

    http://www.ico.gov.uk/

    https://www.ico.gov.uk/Global/contact_us.aspx

    Hope this helps, and if you want to continue to make a reclaim on the PPI with your reasons, you can still do so.

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    • #3
      Re: Advice on SAR and PPI reclaim

      Hi FlySi

      A SAR must include data which may identify the Data Subject as a living person (Including in some limited circumstances, third parties).

      T & Cs, general info, etc would not be relevant to a SAR, but may be so re a CCA 77-79 request
      CAVEAT LECTOR

      This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

      You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
      Cohen, Herb


      There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
      gets his brain a-going.
      Phelps, C. C.


      "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
      The last words of John Sedgwick

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      • #4
        Re: Advice on SAR and PPI reclaim

        @di30 Thanks for your help. I've been of the same mind to write back and I've been advised by somebody on CAG to submit an LBA.

        The account was opened originally in 1986 - I know I have no hope of getting money back that far but I hope to get some of the money returned. One of the concerns I have is that the account is live/active/open (delete as applicable) and yet data relating to the account is not available. I would have thought that this would be saved on a microfilm at the very least!

        @charitynjw I was under the impression that a SAR would include T&Cs, etc. Given that they've included a photocopy of the reverse of the application - which includes their postal address and a partial amount of the T&Cs - I don't see how your position that a SAR "must include data which may identify the Data Subject as a living person" holds water. The postal address for M&S does not identify me!

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        • #5
          Re: Advice on SAR and PPI reclaim

          Originally posted by FlySi View Post
          @di30 Thanks for your help. I've been of the same mind to write back and I've been advised by somebody on CAG to submit an LBA.

          The account was opened originally in 1986 - I know I have no hope of getting money back that far but I hope to get some of the money returned. One of the concerns I have is that the account is live/active/open (delete as applicable) and yet data relating to the account is not available. I would have thought that this would be saved on a microfilm at the very least!

          @charitynjw I was under the impression that a SAR would include T&Cs, etc. Given that they've included a photocopy of the reverse of the application - which includes their postal address and a partial amount of the T&Cs - I don't see how your position that a SAR "must include data which may identify the Data Subject as a living person" holds water. The postal address for M&S does not identify me!
          Not my position, but that of the Information Commissioner's Office, who look after all matters 'Data Protection', & therefore SARs.

          http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisati..._requests.aspx

          http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisati...onal_data.aspx

          But you can have access to other data (ie T & Cs) via requests under other legislation, & if necessary, Civil Procedure Rules.
          CAVEAT LECTOR

          This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

          You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
          Cohen, Herb


          There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
          gets his brain a-going.
          Phelps, C. C.


          "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
          The last words of John Sedgwick

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          • #6
            Re: Advice on SAR and PPI reclaim

            Thanks charitynjw. I'll have a look at those links and see what I can work out.

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