DOORSTEP VISIT THREAT - MacKenzie Hall threat letter

[teaboy2]

Re: DOORSTEP VISIT THREAT - MacKenzie Hall threat letter

I can just hear the recording of the 999 call from the Doorstep collector now.

Operator.. Hello - What is the nature of the emergency?

DC.. I just be shot!

Operator.. Where are you now.. we will send an ambulance and a responce unit to you.

DC.. Debtors address.

Operator.. Ok, can you tell me where you have been shot?

DC.. In the groin.

Operator.. Ok the ambulance is on its way now along with the response unit.

DC.. Errrr ok.

Operator.. Do you know what kind of weapon was used.

DC.. Yeah.. A water pistol, i look like i bloody ****ed myself.

Operator.. A whatttt??????

DC.. A water Pistol.


MR plod arrives and then nicks the DC for wasting police time.

Re: DOORSTEP VISIT THREAT - MacKenzie Hall threat letter

Were the plods to send an armed response unit, one should meekly comply with their demands and, upon them finding no weapon present, the doorstepping dimwit would be charged with wasting police time.

Perhaps it would be better to use a well rinsed bottle that formerly held washing-up liquid?

People, we're all on the same side here, I hope. Lets not argue between ourselves and loose sight of the real enemy. I only suggest it's in no ones best interest to go beyond the law. Keep the moral high ground and don't let the buggars drag you down to their level.

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Knowing the way these people act, do you really believe they wouldn't play it for all it was worth? I can just imagine the scene; "Honestly officer, I thought he was about to shoot me!! How was I to know the gun wasn't real?"

Were the plods to send an armed response unit, one should meekly comply with their demands and, upon them finding no weapon present, the doorstepping dimwit would be charged with wasting police time.

Perhaps it would be better to use a well rinsed bottle that formerly held washing-up liquid?

[teaboy2]

Re: DOORSTEP VISIT THREAT - MacKenzie Hall threat letter

You are absolutely correct re: reasonble force. However how, exactly, do you think skirting a water pistol at them would contstitute reasonble force? I understand the temptation (wish it was legal to pour boiling oil on them) but think before you act. How will it benifit your cause to get yourself arrested? Well considering water is harmless whilst attempting to restraint someone can and have in some cases lead to serious muscle injury to the person, then i think squirting them with water is the lesser of the two forms of reasonable force, not only that it is commonly used in riots even in the UK and known as a water cannon

Additionally, if you point a "weapon" at someone, how is that person to know, or claim they know, it's not a real gun. Is it really worth the hassle that might come your way?

As for the term "weapon" well considering the vast majority of water guns are bright red/orange/yellow and have a container on the top/bottom of them where the water is stored, then it is pretty easy to distinguish between them and an actaul gun and lets face it, only an idiot would actually pull a real gun on a trespasser. Though you can use a gun (game keepers, farmers for example) to evict them from your land, so long as you do not actually fire with intent to harm them. Also new laws that are looking like they will soon be enforce actually allow for you to use certain weapons by force to protect your property - And before you respond with yes for burglars, i will point out that they are also trespassers.

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I expect that they might get something of a clue when water issued from the "barrel" rather than a bullet.

Knowing the way these people act, do you really believe they wouldn't play it for all it was worth? I can just imagine the scene; "Honestly officer, I thought he was about to shoot me!! How was I to know the gun wasn't real?" An "accidental" soaking with a hose pipe you might get away with. This all depnds of course on whether anyone actually turns up, chances are it's another empty threat.

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Additionally, if you point a "weapon" at someone, how is that person to know, or claim they know, it's not a real gun. Is it really worth the hassle that might come your way?

I expect that they might get something of a clue when water issued from the "barrel" rather than a bullet.

[Crispybacon]

Re: DOORSTEP VISIT THREAT - MacKenzie Hall threat letter

Easier way round it, get out a hosepipe and water the pot plants by your front door.

If the 'doorstep collector' happened to get in the way it'd be an accident wouldn't it?

No 'unreasonable force' arguement required. Plod wouldn't be interested as its a 'civil matter'.

[ODC]

Re: DOORSTEP VISIT THREAT - MacKenzie Hall threat letter

Much better to accidentally soak th with your garden hose whilst watering your plants

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You are absolutely correct re: reasonble force. However how, exactly, do you think skirting a water pistol at them would contstitute reasonble force?

"Leave my property at once, or I will squirt this water pistol in your face until you do."

Or do you consider that "reasonable force" is just threatening to fart in their approximate direction?

I understand the temptation (wish it was legal to pour boiling oil on them) but think before you act. How will it benifit your cause to get yourself arrested?

So who would arrest the householder - the trespasser who had refused to leave when instructed?

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Yes but if they are committing tort of trespass, and refusing to leave then you can use reasonable force to eject them from the property.

You are absolutely correct re: reasonble force. However how, exactly, do you think skirting a water pistol at them would contstitute reasonble force? I understand the temptation (wish it was legal to pour boiling oil on them) but think before you act. How will it benifit your cause to get yourself arrested?

Additionally, if you point a "weapon" at someone, how is that person to know, or claim they know, it's not a real gun. Is it really worth the hassle that might come your way?

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Yes but if they are committing tort of trespass, and refusing to leave then you can use reasonable force to eject them from the property.

Exactly - and I doubt that the use of a water pistol containing water would be considered more than "reasonable force".

It would be more serious were one to fill it with O-isopropyl methylphosphonofluoridate, but so few pharmacies stock it these days.

[teaboy2]

Re: DOORSTEP VISIT THREAT - MacKenzie Hall threat letter

Whilst that action may be very tempting and fun, it would actually be common assult and leave you liable to arrest. You need do nothing more than to instruct them to go away, if they refuse you can then set the police on them. Far better for you to keep on the right side of the law.

Yes but if they are committing tort of trespass, and refusing to leave then you can use reasonable force to eject them from the property.

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Whilst squirting a water pistol in the oaf's face?

Whilst that action may be very tempting and fun, it would actually be common assult and leave you liable to arrest. You need do nothing more than to instruct them to go away, if they refuse you can then set the police on them. Far better for you to keep on the right side of the law.

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You do not have to tell them that.

Just tell them to Feck Off. Its that simple. These muppets have absolutely NO LEGAL POWERS WHATSOEVER

Should the fail to leave your premises when asked you do have the right to use minimum force to remove them but a much more fun tactic is to use your mobile phone to video him and make a note of his registration number. Post it on You tube.

Whilst squirting a water pistol in the oaf's face?

[ODC]

Re: DOORSTEP VISIT THREAT - MacKenzie Hall threat letter

I know those guys have no rights to come inside my house, so my boyfriend and I agreed that when someone comes asking for me, he will announce we split up and I do not live here anymore

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You do not have to tell them that.

Just tell them to Feck Off. Its that simple. These muppets have absolutely NO LEGAL POWERS WHATSOEVER

Should the fail to leave your premises when asked you do have the right to use minimum force to remove them but a much more fun tactic is to use your mobile phone to video him and make a note of his registration number. Post it on You tube.