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  • Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

    Hi,

    Approximately 2 years ago I fell in to some money problems and turned to a payday loan company, Vivus. I took out a loan of £300. For the next 2 months I paid back a total of ~£450 largely in ‘deferral’ payments because I could not pay back the full amount in one go. I then admitted I was having severe problems and they froze the interest and agreed to take payments of £5 per month. At this point there was approximately £200 ‘outstanding’

    This continued for about a year when I received a letter from “Motormile finance” telling me the debt was now owed to them. I checked Vivus’ website and it had been replaced with a message effectively saying they had sold all their debts off (but not mentioning MMF exactly iirc). However, MMF did not seem to have a full statement of the account and claimed I owed a fair bit more than I did (effectively, they had ignored most of the £5 payments that had been sent to Vivus’ account). They asked me to prove that I had paid this money to Vivus; I began completing an SAR request with my bank for my bank account history but before doing that sent a CCA request to Motormile Finance.

    I did not hear anything back from them and so, given the fact that Vivus appeared to now be defunct, I cancelled my standing order to them. I haven’t paid anything on this debt for approximately the last year. I have just received a message from MMF asking me to contact them again and provide my DOB/Address/etc.

    Im unsure what my course of action should be. The questions I am currently thinking of:

    1) Unfortunately I did not send the CCA letter recorded delivery, although I did tell them on the phone I was doing it so there should be a record on their end (their customer advisor told me he would freeze the account for 1 month to allow for the CCA request to be dealt with). At the time I was told that recorded delivery letters can be ‘ignored’ so best to do it normal post and get proof of posting – which has been lost. Since I can’t prove I initially did a CCA request, should I just submit another one now?

    2) Is it my duty to prove the outstanding amount is less than they say it is? All monies went to the account Vivus gave me, but they don’t seem to have passed this info on to MMF. In order to prove this I need to pay my bank the SAR fee of £10, can I pass this charge on to them?

    3) If I go down the CCA route, can they still default me anyway? I’m not sure its worth fighting for considering there is probably only ~£120 outstanding now.
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    Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

    Good afternoon, welcome to LB,
    MMF not the easiest company to deal with I'm afraid.

    One important point stay off the phone with MMF their record shows that they deny all they say,

    1. Your bank should be able to provide you with statements showing the payments.

    2.It is entirely up to MMF to prove what they say is owed.

    3, Are you saying that Vivus did not default the account before selling the debt?

    nem

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    • #3
      Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

      To echo what Nemesis has said, stay off the phone. If they continue to call send them a
      ether telling them to contact you in writing. If they call on your mobile and it is a smart phone , download an app that will record calls, there are plenty of free ones. I have one that is quite good and saves the calls I want to google drive.

      Try ray not to engage with MMF unless you are forced.

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      • #4
        Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

        Originally posted by nemesis45 View Post
        Good afternoon, welcome to LB,
        MMF not the easiest company to deal with I'm afraid.

        One important point stay off the phone with MMF their record shows that they deny all they say,

        1. Your bank should be able to provide you with statements showing the payments.

        2.It is entirely up to MMF to prove what they say is owed.

        3, Are you saying that Vivus did not default the account before selling the debt?

        nem
        Hi,

        Thank you for the response!

        Re: 1 & 2.

        Yep, I know my bank can provide statements proving I made the payments but this costs £10 for an SAR request. MMF seem to think it is my responsibility to prove I made these payments as when they first contacted me they had no record of the £5 monthly payments (and a one off starting payment) I had been making. If they say I owe X and I think its Y, we seem to be in deadlock unless they are willing to pay the £10 for me to contact my bank.

        Re: 3 Vivus did not default me. I have a noddle subscription and there is nothing on there. 6 months ago or so I did a statutory request from all credit agencies and there was absolutely nothing on there from vivus. I've checked the Vivus.co.uk page and it now seems to be back up offering payday loans but under a new company name. When MMF contacted me there was simply a holding page there saying (effectively) the company has ceased to exist and the debts have been sold.

        I will stay off the phone from them and think the best thing to do is fire off another CCA letter, definitely going recorded this time. They have sent me an email asking for my name/DOB/address - should I provide this information? I've paid back more than I borrowed initially, but I do recognise that I made an agreement with Vivus that still has ~£120 outstanding.

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        • #5
          Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

          Originally posted by Noah View Post
          To echo what Nemesis has said, stay off the phone. If they continue to call send them a
          ether telling them to contact you in writing. If they call on your mobile and it is a smart phone , download an app that will record calls, there are plenty of free ones. I have one that is quite good and saves the calls I want to google drive.

          Try ray not to engage with MMF unless you are forced.
          Hi,

          Thanks for the response!

          I will absolutely stay off the phone but what do you mean don't engage unless you are forced? Is forced being sent court action? I do owe money on the original debt and I can probably afford to pay this off now as I have a much better job than I did 2 years ago. That said, I've paid them (well, Vivus) a fairly hefty interest rate equivalent already.

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          • #6
            Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

            By forced I mean receiving a letter that needs attention for example a letter of claim or they ignore your 'requests' not to contact you by phone .
            MMF had a habit of ignoring anything said to them including formal complaints and carrying on with there own form of Intimidation. Even letters to directors were ignored.
            So for example
            you write saying contact by letter only
            they ignore you
            you put in a formal complaint
            they still ignore you
            you make a complaint to the fos

            To me if they ignore letters they are forcing your hand but keep focuses. If the communication is about telephone calls stay on topic and don't discuss the debt

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            • #7
              Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

              Originally posted by Gatsby85 View Post
              Hi,

              Thanks for the response!

              I will absolutely stay off the phone but what do you mean don't engage unless you are forced? Is forced being sent court action? I do owe money on the original debt and I can probably afford to pay this off now as I have a much better job than I did 2 years ago. That said, I've paid them (well, Vivus) a fairly hefty interest rate equivalent already.
              The FOS is very unlikely to get involved in any complaint on contact from MMF the OFT placed restrictions on MMR not long before the FCA took charge.

              Send a report to the FCA with copies of correspondence ( not as a complaint as the FCA doesn't take individual complaints) but all reports / information is used when licences are renewed and if sufficient reports are received action can be taken.

              ( for info I was involved in making a " mass" report to the FCA which was used to sanction MMF in the past happy to do the same again if necessary)

              nem

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              • #8
                Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

                Originally posted by nemesis45 View Post
                The FOS is very unlikely to get involved in any complaint on contact from MMF the OFT placed restrictions on MMR not long before the FCA took charge.

                Send a report to the FCA with copies of correspondence ( not as a complaint as the FCA doesn't take individual complaints) but all reports / information is used when licences are renewed and if sufficient reports are received action can be taken.

                ( for info I was involved in making a " mass" report to the FCA which was used to sanction MMF in the past happy to do the same again if necessary)

                nem
                I think we will have to disagree , if you have made a complaint and it is not resolved it is surely our duty to escalate that to the relevant authorities who do after all share data

                I do not think it was the OFT that placed the sanctions on to MMF as they were placed in May 2015 and the OFT passed on the baton in 2015

                I do remember the brigadier collating evidence of wrongdoing over on Cag but Cag claim that nothing ever came of that, I am assuming this is the action you are talking about
                http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...-Needed/page10

                The last comment by IMS

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                • #9
                  Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

                  Originally posted by Noah View Post
                  I think we will have to disagree , if you have made a complaint and it is not resolved it is surely our duty to escalate that to the relevant authorities who do after all share data

                  I do not think it was the OFT that placed the sanctions on to MMF as they were placed in May 2015 and the OFT passed on the baton in 2015

                  I do remember the brigadier collating evidence of wrongdoing over on Cag but Cag claim that nothing ever came of that, I am assuming this is the action you are talking about
                  http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...-Needed/page10

                  The last comment by IMS
                  I'm afraid you and IMS were
                  /are wrong again.
                  The simple fact that CAG amin did not the matter forward for what ever reason does not mean that the data was not passed to the OFT nor does it mean that nothing was done in fact sanctions /requirement were put in place,
                  Even the AE/clone/troll jon alias Fletch/berniethedolt new that but selective memory is common among AE's and trolls as you well noah
                  Last edited by nemesis45; 11th April 2016, 16:05:PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

                    The major point on this was that I believe that anyone who has a complaint against a financial company should make use full use of the regulatory powers , so escalating the complaint to the FOS is the right thing to do. After all, if someone had a different complaint i am sure you would say follow the procedure

                    As for the OFT/FCA Sorry , I made a typo
                    The OFT passed the baton in 2014 however the sanctions/requirements were placed in 2015 so logically can not have been placed by the OFT.
                    From reading the thread , in June 2014 nothing had been done and therefore no complaint could have been made to the OFT as they were no longer responsible for the conduct of MMF.

                    While I am not disputing the fact that you may have collated info against MMF, I have no reason to doubt that my thoughts are that nothing came of it and that as the FCA took over a full 13 months before the requirements were imposed , the complaint would not have been made to the OFT

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                    • #11
                      Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

                      Originally posted by Noah View Post
                      The major point on this was that I believe that anyone who has a complaint against a financial company should make use full use of the regulatory powers , so escalating the complaint to the FOS is the right thing to do. After all, if someone had a different complaint i am sure you would say follow the procedure

                      As for the OFT/FCA Sorry , I made a typo
                      The OFT passed the baton in 2014 however the sanctions/requirements were placed in 2015 so logically can not have been placed by the OFT.
                      From reading the thread , in June 2014 nothing had been done and therefore no complaint could have been made to the OFT as they were no longer responsible for the conduct of MMF.

                      While I am not disputing the fact that you may have collated info against MMF, I have no reason to doubt that my thoughts are that nothing came of it and that as the FCA took over a full 13 months before the requirements were imposed , the complaint would not have been made to the OFT
                      Again you are wrong the information was sent OFT and it was passed to the FCA as one so well informed would know the processes don't have immediate effect but remain on the IP register.

                      As you admitted previously under another name " you are barking mad "

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                      • #12
                        Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

                        The date on the IP register is Feb 2015 and refers to a visit .

                        This schedule sets out the terms of the requirements to be imposed on Motormile Finance UK Limited (Motormile) with effect from 13 February 2015.
                        2. Motormile conducts debt purchase and collection.
                        3. Information obtained by the FCA about Motormile prior to and following a visit to the firm has given rise to serious concerns in relation to Motormile’s debt purchase and collection practices.
                        4. In particular, the FCA has concerns that Motormile’s debt purchase and debt collections practices are not compliant with the FCA’s requirements and expectations in several respects. For example, Motormile fails to conduct sufficient due diligence upon the purchase of a debt portfolio to be satisfied that the sums due under customer loan agreements are correct. Motormile then engages in debt collections activities with its customers, including outbound collections activity and legal action, for sums which may not be properly due under the loan agreement.
                        5. These concerns give rise to an ongoing risk to Motormile’s customers and Motormile has agreed to the following requirements to mitigate that risk.
                        6. Motormile intends that these requirements will remain in place for such length of time as the FCA reasonably deems necessary, taking into account all relevant matters including any evidence that demonstrates it has addressed all of the FCA’s concerns with its business practices and is conducting its business in compliance with the FCA’s rules and guidance and is treating its customers fairly.
                        There is zero/zilch evidence that you or anyone else come to that had anything to do with the complaints made, it may have been a mix of personal complaints , who knows.

                        What is of concern to me is that you are distorting the facts, the OFT stopped in 2014 at which point , by your own admission, yes I know you were the brigadier because I can read info elsewhere on the net , no complaint had been made

                        Please explain how a complaint would have been made by one such as you who claims to be so experienced to a defiant agency.

                        What you seem to be claiming is that
                        you made the complaint while the OFT still had powers - evidence from Cag makes this seem unlikely
                        The complaint led to a mark on the IP register - yet the mark was made nearly 12 months after the OFT stopped regulating firms

                        It just does not make sense , same as the other comments you have made and to tell someone they are barking mad just shows you up for the person you are, sad and pathetic

                        That my boy is my parting shot

                        Answer me this if you dare

                        Are you actually suggesting that someone should NOT use a complaints procedure when it comes to a firm?
                        If you complain to the FCA they will not deal with it but if you complain the the FOS not only will they deal with it but it will be flagged to the FCA
                        Last edited by Noah; 11th April 2016, 20:30:PM. Reason: Removing duplication

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                        • #13
                          Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

                          Originally posted by Noah View Post
                          I think we will have to disagree , if you have made a complaint and it is not resolved it is surely our duty to escalate that to the relevant authorities who do after all share data

                          I do not think it was the OFT that placed the sanctions on to MMF as they were placed in May 2015 and the OFT passed on the baton in 2015

                          I do remember the brigadier collating evidence of wrongdoing over on Cag but Cag claim that nothing ever came of that, I am assuming this is the action you are talking about
                          http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...-Needed/page10

                          The last comment by IMS
                          Think what you like (disordered thought) It worries me not!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

                            Just for the record, I believe I do owe you an apology as after reading the thread from Cag in its entirety it appears that you did indeed send copies of the complaints to the FCA and OFT.

                            Can you however just for the record tell us what your thoughts are on following complaints through to the FOS, to do or not to do

                            I would say do as it is the process

                            You appear to have said not to do , why?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Contacted by DCA after 1 year CCA Request

                              Originally posted by Noah View Post
                              Just for the record, I believe I do owe you an apology as after reading the thread from Cag in its entirety it appears that you did indeed send copies of the complaints to the FCA and OFT.

                              Can you however just for the record tell us what your thoughts are on following complaints through to the FOS, to do or not to do

                              I would say do as it is the process

                              You appear to have said not to do , why?
                              CCA 1974 matters to the FCA first for information at least one now gets an acknowledgement of the report (s) and the FCA is considerably more pro -active than the OFT ever was.
                              A " financial " dispute should first be dealt with by a Formal Complaint to the creditor (s) an unsatisfactory " final response " received is the time to involve FOS otherwise the process easily falls down.

                              nem

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