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1st Credit sent Bankruptcy proceeding being considered letter ....Please Help !!

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  • #16
    Re: 1st Credit sent Bankruptcy proceeding being considered letter ....Please Help !!

    https://www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/CONC/13/1.html

    The copy agreement

    CONC 13.1.4G01/07/2014

    (1) The copy of the executed agreement should be a 'true copy' of the original. However, as confirmed in the case of Carey v HSBC Bank plc [2009] EWHC 3417 (QB), in this context the term 'true copy' does not necessarily mean a carbon, photocopy, microfiche copy or other exact copy of the signed agreement. There is no obligation to provide a copy which includes a copy of the signature.
    (2) The firm can reconstitute a copy. It can do this by re-populating a template of the relevant agreement form with the details of the specific agreement taken from its records. If the firm does provide a reconstituted copy, it should explain that that is what it has done, to avoid misleading the customer that this is a contemporaneous copy.
    (3) The terms and conditions should be those applicable at the time the agreement was executed. The name and address at the time of execution must be included.
    (4) The reconstituted agreement should contain a heading prescribed by the CCA and any relevant cancellation notice.
    (5) If the reason why no copy is given in response to a request under these sections is that there never was an executed agreement, the firm should acknowledge this in its response.
    (6) If the agreement has been varied, the duty is to provide not only a copy of the agreement as originally executed but also either:
    (a) a copy of the latest variation given in accordance with section 82(1) of the CCA relating to each discrete term of the agreement which has been varied; or,
    (b) a clear statement of the terms of the agreement as varied.
    (7) Further, section 180(1)(b) of the CCA and regulation 3(2) of the Consumer Credit (Cancellation Notices and Copies of Documents) Regulations 1983 expressly allow certain matters to be omitted from the copy. There may be excluded from the copy of the executed agreement to be provided under these sections:
    (a) any information relating to the borrower, hirer or surety, or information included for the use of the lender or owner only, which is not required to be included by the CCA or by any regulations made under the CCA as to the form and content of the agreement;
    (b) any signature box, signature or date of signature;
    (c) in the case of pawn agreements, any description of the article taken in pawn.

    The statement of account

    CONC 13.1.5G01/04/2014

    If the firm possesses insufficient information to enable it to ascertain the amount and date of any sum which is to become payable, it is sufficient to indicate the basis on which they would fall to be ascertained.

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    • #17
      Re: 1st Credit sent Bankruptcy proceeding being considered letter ....Please Help !!

      I am replying to your other points as [MENTION=1508]Nibbler[/MENTION] and [MENTION=29921]nemesis[/MENTION] are replying about the CCA agreement.

      A creditor with an enforceable agreement is unlikley to accept £1,500 from your relative in settlement of a 10k debt if they are aware you have such a lot of equity.

      How large is the insurance policy? How much do you currently have saved?

      What would an I&E show - could you be making larger monthly payments? Unless you have spare income, a second mortgage is an extremely bad idea.

      Have you attempted to reclaim PPI on any of your debts?

      Do you have a spare room for a lodger? That would give you income to be able to make serious repayments.

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      • #18
        Re: 1st Credit sent Bankruptcy proceeding being considered letter ....Please Help !!

        Just a quick update as 1st Credit replied (received 5th Jan) to my request that they received on 18th Dec.....
        Standard reply as follows
        Thank you for your recent communication. We are aware that you raised a dispute/query on the above account.

        What happens next ?
        Whilst we are unaware of any outstanding dispute, we will contact the original creditor in order to request any information they hold relating to a dispute in relation to this account. It may take several weeks for them to gather this information.

        We will suspend collections activity on this account whilst the matter is under investigation.

        It then goes on to say what I can do in the meantime ie sending in my information and copies of letters from original creditor and should I have any queries I can call 1st credit etc
        ...............................................

        I have continued to make the regular payments as always regardless of what the letter said. I also note that 1st Credit did do a search on my credit file about 3 months back...

        Just wondering what I should be doing now as they appear to have missed the 12 working day request even if the request was passed to original creditor that's also gone over the 12 working day guideline to supply a copy of my credit agreement.

        Crystal
        Last edited by crystal clear; 27th January 2016, 01:06:AM. Reason: credit search done Oct 2015

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        • #19
          Re: 1st Credit sent Bankruptcy proceeding being considered letter ....Please Help !!

          Did 1st Credit provide you with either a Deed of Assignment or Notice of Assignment to prove that they have purchased the debt?

          If not then you can ask if this can be provided as they would have to legally show that they have purchased the debt from MBNA.

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          • #20
            Re: 1st Credit sent Bankruptcy proceeding being considered letter ....Please Help !!

            Spellkaster
            All I have in reply to my CCA request is the letter I have re typed as above where they say they will have to contact the original creditor etc.

            So I am still at a loss as to what if anything I should be doing now.

            Crystal

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            • #21
              Re: 1st Credit sent Bankruptcy proceeding being considered letter ....Please Help !!

              I don't think there is anything in particular you have to do at present, but you should consider the points I raised in my previous post in December in case the creditor does manage to produce the information you have asked for...

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              • #22
                Re: 1st Credit sent Bankruptcy proceeding being considered letter ....Please Help !!

                Originally posted by Spellkaster View Post
                Did 1st Credit provide you with either a Deed of Assignment or Notice of Assignment to prove that they have purchased the debt?

                If not then you can ask if this can be provided as they would have to legally show that they have purchased the debt from MBNA.
                It should be noted that the " Deed of assignment " is the contract between the debt seller ( the creditor) and the debt purchaser and is considered
                a commercially sensitive and confidential document which is not specific to any one debt and even if disclosed would be redacted in the extreme.

                nem.

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                • #23
                  Re: 1st Credit sent Bankruptcy proceeding being considered letter ....Please Help !!

                  Originally posted by crystal clear View Post
                  Just a quick update as 1st Credit replied (received 5th Jan) to my request that they received on 18th Dec.....
                  Standard reply as follows
                  Thank you for your recent communication. We are aware that you raised a dispute/query on the above account.

                  What happens next ?
                  Whilst we are unaware of any outstanding dispute, we will contact the original creditor in order to request any information they hold relating to a dispute in relation to this account. It may take several weeks for them to gather this information.

                  We will suspend collections activity on this account whilst the matter is under investigation.

                  It then goes on to say what I can do in the meantime ie sending in my information and copies of letters from original creditor and should I have any queries I can call 1st credit etc
                  ...............................................

                  I have continued to make the regular payments as always regardless of what the letter said. I also note that 1st Credit did do a search on my credit file about 3 months back...

                  Just wondering what I should be doing now as they appear to have missed the 12 working day request even if the request was passed to original creditor that's also gone over the 12 working day guideline to supply a copy of my credit agreement.

                  Crystal
                  Whilst the breach of the 12 + 2 Working Days timescale continues the debt is rendered unenforceable Until the agreement
                  is produced.

                  nem

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