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  • Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

    Hi All,
    I am new to this and I hope someone can help me as I am worried about the possible outcomes to this. On the 10/07/2013 I received a letter of assignment from lloyds notifying me that they had sold the debt of my current account/overdraft to Lowell Portfolio Ltd. On the 08/07/2013 I received a letter from Lowell financial telling me that they had purchased the debt and to contact them. I have received a further three letters from them. After going on various forums and reading numerous horror stories the general consensus was do not contact them. So to date I havnt but I am concerned that I maybe making the situation worse and also on discovering your site and reading various posts including cases where they actively push for bankruptcy, something that would have a catastrophic effect on me as I am self employed in the construction industry. I need to know what is my best course of action to take.
    A BRIEF HISTORY ABOUT THE DEBT
    The debt is regarding my current account with lloyds/tsb. The account was closed by the bank in November 2009. At the time of closure the account was £5166.36 OD with a £4000.00 planned overdraft and a unplanned overdrawn balance of £1166.36. There are numerous bank charges associated with this balance and I still have all my statements to hand. They issued an enforcement notice served under section76(1) of the CCA which again I have to hand. Before selling this on to Lovells they have sent this debt out to for collection to various DCA's but I put in a CCA request to one of them and they responded with current account/ overdrafts don't come under CCA. My argument with them was if that's the case then why issue an enforcement notice using the CCA act. This seamed to stop the DCA's
    Obviously, it looks like Lovells are a different set up. Can I dispute amount owed because of charges. In their last letter they advised me that they had carried out a credit check on me and are aware that I own 2 houses. Any ideas as to what their course of action may be. The lloyds bank account was never registered at my current address, does that have any bearing?
    Sorry for long post but need to get advice. Many thanks
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    Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

    Hmmmm ok, I'd best be straight with you. The CCA 1974 does not cover overdrafts, therefore they are not obliged to send you a copy of the 'agreement', because one did not exist. Only loans, catalogues, HP and credit card debts are covered by CCA.

    Therefore you cannot use s.78 CCA enforceability as a defence.

    I am intrigued by the 'Enforcement Notice' sent under s.76 supposedly....that sounds like an error.

    I deal with Lowell Portfolio daily and I'm afraid they will very likely go for a statutory demand for bankruptcy as they know you own property. You could probably challenge their choice to use insolvency as 'inappropriate', but personally I would not advise getting into such a position if you can avoid it.

    The Lloyds bank account not being registered at your address will not assist either I'm afraid, if they go for BR they can use any address they know to belong to you.

    Bank Charges were deemed 'fair' following the OFT test case therefore you cannot argue that they have contributed to the debt.

    Sorry to be so gloomy, but I suspect your best bet would be to negotiate a decent 'full and final' settlement with them. They would quite possibly accept a massive reduction bearing in mind they probably paid 20% of the debts value. The other alternative is a monthly payment plan with Lowell to settle the debt over a period of time.

    Good Luck :beagle:
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    • #3
      Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

      Thanks for your advice celestine. As I thought really. Just hope I havnt left it to late. Will have to go for the monthly option as havnt got any lump sum. Could I argue that as there is no equity in either house (house 1 interest only mortgage current balance £218000 house value £222000), house 2 interest only mortgage £109000, house value £70000, currently uninhabitable) so it would be in their interests as much as mine to work out a payment plan?

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      • #4
        Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

        Yes, it would be in their interests to work out a payment plan, given that you have a potential negative equity situation.
        You will need to fill in an income and expenditure form to demonstrate your monthly finances and I would strongly recommend an amount that is both realistic and affordable.
        "Although scalar fields are Lorentz scalars, they may transform nontrivially under other symmetries, such as flavour or isospin. For example, the pion is invariant under the restricted Lorentz group, but is an isospin triplet (meaning it transforms like a three component vector under the SU(2) isospin symmetry). Furthermore, it picks up a negative phase under parity inversion, so it transforms nontrivially under the full Lorentz group; such particles are called pseudoscalar rather than scalar. Most mesons are pseudoscalar particles." (finally explained to a captivated Celestine by Professor Brian Cox on Wednesday 27th June 2012 )

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        • #5
          Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

          I currently have two CCJ's recorded against me which are paid in pro rata to each other, one is £20.00/ month on a £6500.00 debt and the other is £30.00/ month on a £ 10,500.00. So when discussing with lowells a repayment plan based on a pro rata of debt is an offer of £16.00 / month on a £ 5,200.00 debt a reasonable offer taking into account the court agreed arrangements on the other CCJ's. If they refuse this, could I risk them proceeding with a SD and what probability would a judge reject the SD because I have made offer of payment according to pro rata debts in conjunction with income and outgoing expenditure. By the way upon acknowledging debt to Lowell would that restart the 6 year record on my credit file even though lloyds have already marked my account as in default in 2009. Many thanks for your expertise. You and your fellow colleagues deserve official recognition for being there to help the ordinary person on the street.

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          • #6
            Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

            Originally posted by MOTLEYMAN View Post
            I currently have two CCJ's recorded against me which are paid in pro rata to each other, one is £20.00/ month on a £6500.00 debt and the other is £30.00/ month on a £ 10,500.00. So when discussing with lowells a repayment plan based on a pro rata of debt is an offer of £16.00 / month on a £ 5,200.00 debt a reasonable offer taking into account the court agreed arrangements on the other CCJ's. If they refuse this, could I risk them proceeding with a SD and what probability would a judge reject the SD because I have made offer of payment according to pro rata debts in conjunction with income and outgoing expenditure.
            Without a crystal ball, no-one can tell what Lowell would or would not do. The insolvency route (where they issue a SD) is very different from the CCJ route. If they were to issue a SD, you'd have to apply for it to be set aside and merely showing you made a pro-rata repayment offer may not be enough grounds for set aside. However, knowing Lowell, there may be other grounds. Celestine, the site owner, has an excellent track record :yo: setting aside SDs, mostly issued by Lowell. :grin:

            Originally posted by MOTLEYMAN View Post
            By the way upon acknowledging debt to Lowell would that restart the 6 year record on my credit file even though lloyds have already marked my account as in default in 2009. Many thanks for your expertise. You and your fellow colleagues deserve official recognition for being there to help the ordinary person on the street.
            Acknowledging the debt does not affect the entry on your credit file, which will drop off after 6 years regardless of whether the debt is paid or not, acknowledged or not. Obviously if a CCJ was obtained, then that would stay on record for a further 6 years.

            What would be reset is the Statute Barred clock :clock: If you have made no payments since 2009, then making a repayment offer WOULD restart the clock, which is why you should think very carefully before making such an offer, as there is no guarantee they will accept it anyway.

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            • #7
              Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

              Would be useful if you could tell us what the Lowell debt is for: credit card, loan, catalogue? :noidea: and a bit of history.

              EDIT: I was going to suggest a CCA request but if it's an O/D it wouldn't apply.

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              • #8
                Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

                Hi. Thanks for your input much appreciated but it looks like lowells have everything covered on this debt so gona have to arrange a repayment plan. As its a current account/ overdraft debt the CCA won't help. Wish I had the money for a full and final payment. Based on a £5200.00 debt what would you money level would you start at .

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                • #9
                  Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

                  On a £5200 debt, I would start at £1000-1500.

                  I spoke to a client yesterday who 'found out accidentally' that his £15000 debt from Hillesden Securities had been bought for £95!!!! :scared:
                  "Although scalar fields are Lorentz scalars, they may transform nontrivially under other symmetries, such as flavour or isospin. For example, the pion is invariant under the restricted Lorentz group, but is an isospin triplet (meaning it transforms like a three component vector under the SU(2) isospin symmetry). Furthermore, it picks up a negative phase under parity inversion, so it transforms nontrivially under the full Lorentz group; such particles are called pseudoscalar rather than scalar. Most mesons are pseudoscalar particles." (finally explained to a captivated Celestine by Professor Brian Cox on Wednesday 27th June 2012 )

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                  If we have helped you we'd appreciate it if you can leave a review on our Trust Pilot page

                  If you wish to book an appointment with me to discuss your credit agreement, please email kate@legalbeaglesgroup. com

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                  • #10
                    Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

                    Originally posted by Celestine View Post
                    Hmmmm ok, I'd best be straight with you. The CCA 1974 does not cover overdrafts, therefore they are not obliged to send you a copy of the 'agreement', because one did not exist. Only loans, catalogues, HP and credit card debts are covered by CCA.

                    Therefore you cannot use s.78 CCA enforceability as a defence.

                    I am intrigued by the 'Enforcement Notice' sent under s.76 supposedly....that sounds like an error.

                    I deal with Lowell Portfolio daily and I'm afraid they will very likely go for a statutory demand for bankruptcy as they know you own property. You could probably challenge their choice to use insolvency as 'inappropriate', but personally I would not advise getting into such a position if you can avoid it.

                    The Lloyds bank account not being registered at your address will not assist either I'm afraid, if they go for BR they can use any address they know to belong to you.

                    Bank Charges were deemed 'fair' following the OFT test case therefore you cannot argue that they have contributed to the debt.

                    Sorry to be so gloomy, but I suspect your best bet would be to negotiate a decent 'full and final' settlement with them. They would quite possibly accept a massive reduction bearing in mind they probably paid 20% of the debts value. The other alternative is a monthly payment plan with Lowell to settle the debt over a period of time.

                    Good Luck :beagle:
                    Sorry but the Consumer Credit Act does indeed cover overdrafts, section 74 merely offers an exemption from part V (pre Feb 2012). This means that the requirements under section 61 to make a written agreement do not apply.

                    However the act still requires other notices to be sent, if the overdraft is one that can be called in via a term on the agreement, a section 76 notice is all that is required, if the overdraft is a formal pre-arranged one then a section 87 default notice would be needed before the agreement could be terminated.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

                      No wonder Lowells sent mountains of letters and attempt SD so easily paying so little for a debt is nothing but a gamble lots to win little to lose! Pity we cant all buy are debts for a pro rata sum?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

                        Debts that consist entirely of charges without which the account would not have been defaulted should not have a default recorded.

                        ICOs Guide to Defaults ?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Lowell purchased lloyds/tsb current account/overdraft debt

                          Originally posted by celestine View Post
                          On a £5200 debt, I would start at £1000-1500.

                          I spoke to a client yesterday who 'found out accidentally' that his £15000 debt from Hillesden Securities had been bought for £95!!!! :scared:
                          OMG, that makes me feel sick - and the damage they can then force on people. There should be a law against it!

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