Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

[Inca]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

Name and shame the company, too much of this going on and many people getting ripped off by companies who you think would never do such a thing, NAME AND SHAME would help others to inform others, if this company has done it to you then it should be made public


I think you need to tread very carefully when words like 'fraud' and 'deception' are being bandied around.

[salsmoss]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

Do you actually know what the offence of deception actually is. ?

ODC IT is to deceive someone ie to steal or lie for a profit, the concrete for the plinth headstone would of been no more than half a cement mixer of mixed concrete in other words a bag (25kg) of concrete. A full mixer is used to actuall form a base at the bottom for the coffin with a little sawdust sprinkled over.

Geebs in my opinion has been decieved by a respected member of the community. It is also been known that these FD have also recieved land and property from elderly people that have passed away.

[ODC]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

You know folks sometimes a bit of common sense goes a long way. Nobody has suggested that the OP should pay for work that he didnt authorise or was advised about. I dont think its unreasonable to ring the FD for an explanation. Without knowing the facts from both sides there could be a hundred and one reasons why bill was sent. Should this end up in court the first question that would be asked was if the OP queried the bill with the FD.

[salsmoss]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

You know folks sometimes a bit of common sense goes a long way. Nobody has suggested that the OP should pay for work that he didnt authorise or was advised about. I dont think its unreasonable to ring the FD for an explanation. Without knowing the facts from both sides there could be a hundred and one reasons why bill was sent. Should this end up in court the first question that would be asked was if the OP queried the bill with the FD.

Not at all, an agreed price is an agreed price, to add to an agreed price is attempting to deceive another, to add extra work to an agreed contract or extra pricing then the FD should of contacted the other party to explain the extra work and to agree to it. In this situation double money was slapped into the agreement without consulting the other party. Attempted deception, thats why the FD cashed the cheque without challenging it, bad bad FD and must be named and shamed.

[Geebs]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

The bill aint a mistake, I have been up to the cemetary and the headstone has indeed been removed. I can see new concrete around the base and inscription has been done. I really dont see your point ODC, why should I contact them? Its upto them to justify a charge without my authorisation. If it did end up in court, I'm quite certain they would lose, its unreasonable to more than double a bill without permission. £267 for a bit of concrete is outrageous.

[ODC]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

ODC IT is to deceive someone ie to steal or lie for a profit, the concrete for the plinth headstone would of been no more than half a cement mixer of mixed concrete in other words a bag (25kg) of concrete. A full mixer is used to actuall form a base at the bottom for the coffin with a little sawdust sprinkled over.

Geebs in my opinion has been decieved by a respected member of the community. It is also been known that these FD have also recieved land and property from elderly people that have passed away.

Salmoss you really have not got a clue what you are talking about. Where is the theft, where is the lie? How many headstones have you reset or erected. No Deception has actually occurred yet. I really havent a clue what you are on about when you say

A full mixer is used to actuall form a base at the bottom for the coffin with a little sawdust sprinkled over.

Are you talking about a grave surround. There is no concrete or indeed sawdust poured into the grave as a base for the coffin.

You are now alleging that Funeral Directors have received land and property from the deceased. Oh Dear

[Inca]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

The headstone has been done and replaced,the cheque has been cashed,the case is closed UNLESS Geebs hears any more from the FD,to summise anything else would be pointless,,and again I stress,,FRAUD and DECEPTION are dangerous words to bandy around.

[salsmoss]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

Salmoss you really have not got a clue what you are talking about. Where is the theft, where is the lie? How many headstones have you reset or erected. No Deception has actually occurred yet. I really havent a clue what you are on about when you say

Are you talking about a grave surround. There is no concrete or indeed sawdust poured into the grave as a base for the coffin.

You are now alleging that Funeral Directors have received land and property from the deceased. Oh Dear

ODC that FD has his method of business, if he don't lay a concrete base then that's his decision a lot of them do a lot of them don't, some even brick them up to accommodate family members by placing beams from brick to brick or a garden slabs, the subject here is the unagreed money bill,

[ODC]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

Folks I only responded to this thread to offer some advice. Obviously you have all made your minds up anyway. I will offer one last piece of advice on this one. Be very careful before you name and shame unless you are 100% sure of ALL the facts.

Salmoss let us all know when you start erecting headstones and surrounds for the price of a 25kg bag of cement I'm sure you will be extremely busy.

[ODC]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

again I stress,,FRAUD and DECEPTION are dangerous words to bandy around.

Especially by those who do not actually know the legal definitions

[ODC]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

ODC that FD has his method of business, if he don't lay a concrete base then that's his decision a lot of them do a lot of them don't, some even brick them up to accommodate family members by placing beams from brick to brick or a garden slabs, the subject here is the unagreed money bill,

I have never seen a concrete base covered in sawdust in any of the thousands of graves I have seen.

[Inca]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

Especially by those who do not actually know the legal definitions

Yes indeedy ODC and having buried quite a few family members and ashes,,I've yet to see a grave that had a concrete floor either.

[salsmoss]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

I have never seen a concrete base covered in sawdust in any of the thousands of graves I have seen.

Then your local FD does not do this or have you travelled the country to check each FD method, our FD does and also bricks from base to the height of the coffin, places slabs from brick to brick and fills back with soil, hens the soil mound. If you dig a hole and place the soil back in that hole it wont fill to the top if you know what i mean

[salsmoss]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

Anyway back to the deceit, which is a fraudulent and deceptive misrepresentation used by one or more persons to deceive and trick another who is ignorant of the true facts. Would this legal definition hold truth in your book odc.

[Geebs]

Re: Funeral Director charging more for headstone work than I signed for?

Thanks for the replies everyone, it is appreciated.

But no one has really answered my questions with a legal fact not opinion.

1. is a signed "memorial order" a legally binding contract, for the sum wrote on it?
2. can FD legally increase the bill without my authorisation?
3. if I am in the wrong to refuse to pay the extra charges, what can they do about it?

I was hoping to get legal answers to the above questions.