TV license officer visit

[miliitant]

Re: TV license officer visit

interesting debate this

mission for you blubottle

is it only people with a warrant card or people given statutory powers that can issue an interview under pace

and what organisations hold those powers

might you dig out some of your contacts to confirm

[bluebottle]

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interview under caution esio trot

i think you may be opening yourself up to unlawful detention, detaning people when you have no lawful authority, implying you have powers when you do not (gestapo tactics)

i am sure blubottle will correct me if i am wrong but this is well dodgy ground you are on

Once Esio Trot posts up where they are drawing their lawful authority from, all should become clearer.

[bluebottle]

Re: TV license officer visit

interesting debate this

mission for you blubottle

is it only people with a warrant card or people given statutory powers that can issue an interview under pace

and what organisations hold those powers

might you dig out some of your contacts to confirm

PACE came into being as a consequence of the Scarman Report following the Brixton Riots. The administering of a caution is a legal requirement when someone is being arrested or informed they may be reported with a view to prosecution. A warrant card is an official document which enables a person appointed to uphold the law, be they a police officer, Water Bailiff, EHO, HSE Inspector, UKBA officer, to discharge the duties of their office. I and a number of other LB members have, at one time or another, held the office of Constable and have carried a warrant card which not only identifies the holder as a police officer, but is their authority to act as a Constable and exercise the powers and privileges that office confers on them.

There will always be enabling legislation which provides a law enforcer with their powers to act as a law enforcer in whatever capacity the legislation stipulates and any privileges attached to the office they hold.

I have doubts that a Capita employee, acting for TVL, would be able to quote the respective enabling legislation for any powers they claim to have. I know that when I was undergoing training at Hendon and, subsequently, Medmenham, a lot of stuff had to be learned and committed to memory and you had to be able to repeat it, verbally or in writing, word perfect. Thankfully, I have been blessed with a very retentive memory, Fibromyalgia permitting.

Those who hold a warrant card include -

Police Officers
Environmental Health Officers
HSE Inspectors
Trading Standards Officers
Water Bailiffs
Environment Agency Enforcement Officers
Customs Officers
UK Border Agency Officers
Royal Mail Investigation Section Investigation Officers
VOSA Investigation Officers and Enforcement Officers
HMRC Inspectors and Investigation Officers
DWP Fraud Investigation Section Officers
Companies Investigation Branch (Insolvency Service)

These are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

What PACE does, in a nutshell, is protect those suspected of committing an offence from unfair treatment and corrupt practices that were rife in some police forces before the Scarman Report. It also lays down how a person must be treated whilst in custody. Amendments have been made to it since its enactment which take account of changes in the law brought about by case law and other legislation.

Unless Parliament has made the mistake of conferring statutory powers on the Turd-Brains from TV Licensing, any caution they did blurt out would, IMHO, amount to intimidation. If a person has lawful authority to uphold the law, this will normally be stated on their warrant card or other official identity.

[labman]

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[bluebottle]

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Any use?

Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (England & Wales)
2.
Section 67(9) of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) 1984 states that:
“Persons other than Police Officers charged with a duty of investigating offences or charging offenders shall in the discharge of that duty have regard to any relevant provision of a code of practice made under the Act.”
3.
PACE Code of Practice (COP) C 11.1A states that the questioning of a person regarding their involvement in a criminal offence must be carried out under caution.

See list in my last post, most of which are "persons other than police officers". As previously stated, IMHO, I have doubts as to the powers, if any, of Capita employees working for TVL. I would not be at all surprised if they are nothing more than glorified debt collectors, in which case, their powers are zilch.

[labman]

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[bluebottle]

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LOL - not for the first time,our posts crossed! Apologies.

No worries.

[wales01man]

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The administering of a caution is a legal requirement when someone is being arrested or informed they may be reported with a view to prosecution.

Is this not what the TVL person who knocked on the door doing so as i read it they have the right to say it above all the OP willingly let them in now a defence must be sought

[enquirer]

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Why, do you work for them?

If I did, then it is very unlikely that I would be able to read and write.

[CleverClogs]

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Why, do you work for them?

If I did, then it is very unlikely that I would be able to read and write.

Or know the names of both your parents.

[enquirer]

Re: TV license officer visit

is it only people with a warrant card or people given statutory powers that can issue an interview under pace

Anyone may administer the caution and conduct a PACE interview.

Anyone conducting an interview who has cause to believe that the person to whom they are talking may have committed an offence is advised to act in accordance with PACE. It is assumed that the interview is conducted because an offence is already in view.

There are two reasons why Crapita goons play up the caution. Obviously, the first is that the mark may make an admission and they would like to produce it in court. The second is intimidation - it frightens people and leads them to believe that Crapita have legal powers.

Which they don't. They have no powers whatsoever.

[CleverClogs]

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They have no powers whatsoever.

I know they don't have X-ray vision, but can't they even run faster than a speeding tortoise?

[smartgirl]

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Dear Enquirer

I'm very sorry, I didn't mean mean to sound rude.

[smartgirl]

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This is a little confusing. Perhaps if you could explain the timeline and specify the payments?

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound rude. It was just written in jest but I should have made that clear. Sorry again.

[bluebottle]

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Anyone may administer the caution and conduct a PACE interview.

Anyone conducting an interview who has cause to believe that the person to whom they are talking may have committed an offence is advised to act in accordance with PACE. It is assumed that the interview is conducted because an offence is already in view.

There are two reasons why Crapita goons play up the caution. Obviously, the first is that the mark may make an admission and they would like to produce it in court. The second is intimidation - it frightens people and leads them to believe that Crapita have legal powers.

Which they don't. They have no powers whatsoever.

Could you please post up the relevant provision that confirms what you say in the first line of your post, please? My concern is one of legal accuracy, but also PACE is very strict as regards interviews and cautions must be administered correctly and appropriately. Unless there is legal provision to allow the Cretins from Capita to administer these cautions, they should not be doing so. I stand by my comment about such conduct by the Capita Cretins amounting to intimidation.