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Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

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  • Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

    Below is a simplified TRUE story.

    In recent weeks, I have been instructed or involved in 3 cases that have gone way beyond a statutory demand. For many reasons the 'debtor' failed to get the stat demand set aside. But in one of the cases I'm tackling, she didn't find out until the Land Registry contacted her.


    I am genuinely shocked to discover that the REAL danger is not only your petitioning creditor like Lowell.....but very often, the real nasty guy is the Insolvency Practitioner instructed by the Official Receiver after you are bankrupted. Even for a simple bankruptcy, their fees run into tens of thousands of pounds.




    "Alex" takes out a Capital One credit card. Alex then loses his job and is unable to pay the £1600 outstanding balance beyond token £1 payments.

    Capital One decide they don't want £1 token payments, so they default Alex and sell his debt to a debt purchaser called Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd. The sale price is confidential but insider leaks suggest it is anything from £16 to £80.

    Capital One then write that debt off against tax and gain tax relief on their other gargantuan profits.

    Lowell Portfolio start hassling Alex who is unable to pay.

    Lowell Portfolio then issue a bankruptcy petition against Alex because they know he owns a small property from checking his credit file.

    Because Alex is not legally minded, has no money and can't get legal support, he is bankrupted for only £1600.

    THEN…....................it gets really bad

    As Alex is bankrupt, the Official Receiver appoints a Trustee. This Trustee is a professional insolvency practitioner and 'takes over' Alex's financial affairs.

    Six months later, Alex's meagre property is disposed of in a forced sale, he had equity of about £50,000.

    The receivers fees for handling his affairs now top £30,000 and Lowells fees are over £7000.

    So for a small debt of £1600, a man can be bankrupted, be asset stripped, lose his home and consequently become dependent on the State; whereas previously, he was in secure accommodation and likely to become re-employed.

    So us tax payers pick up the bill at Capital One's end and then at Lowell & the Insolvency Practitioners end once they've finished asset stripping him.





    I would like to gauge support for a petition and a concerted campaign against the use of the Insolvency process by debt purchasers pursuing consumer credit type debt. I would also like to protest at the use of 'rolling up' multiple small debts into one stat demand.

    A debt like the one described above could very easily be dealt with via a Charging Order if the debt was enforceable, yet because of blatant abuse of the insolvency process by debt purchasers, a small debt can demolish someones life, just when they are at their most vulnerable.

    And the worst bit...........the Judges willingly assist them along the way
    :incourt:



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  • #2
    Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

    That is a truly deadful story.

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    • #3
      Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

      Until the amount of debt rises from £750 to a more realistic figure companies will continue with the bankruptcy route,have to think lowells and others use this as a weapon to force others to pay up might be good for them but horrific for those on the receiving end.
      Its time everything to do with debt collection was reviewed new rules and laws brought in to combat abuse by all those in debt collection

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      • #4
        Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

        Originally posted by wales01man View Post
        Until the amount of debt rises from £750 to a more realistic figure companies will continue with the bankruptcy route,have to think lowells and others use this as a weapon to force others to pay up might be good for them but horrific for those on the receiving end.
        Its time everything to do with debt collection was reviewed new rules and laws brought in to combat abuse by all those in debt collection
        I agree 100%

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        • #5
          Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

          Jeez and there is me saying a small debt like that could be paid on a credit card, when all along that was the reason for the debt.
          Probably PPI on it as was Cap Ones usual practice even if you didn't know about it.
          Was the token payment just what the debtor decided to pay not decided by any DMP or on advice from anywhere?
          I am just trying to see how it gets to this if things seemingly are done fairly and properly or not as the case may be.

          ps Insolvency Practitionersy .are heavily involved in the CMC web of deceit 'appen they need looking at properly from all angles.

          pps I wonder how many F&Fs have been supposedly accepted and passed on to get the same treatment.
          Last edited by enaid; 18th September 2013, 20:29:PM.

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          • #6
            Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

            Very much in support of a campaign here Cel. That story is quite upsetting.

            What irks more than anything, and justifies the campaign in itself to me, is that the money over which the debtor is being made bankrupt doesn't exist as such, in a similar way to fractional reserve banking works.

            The OC has written off the debt (say £3000) against tax, so they have lost not one penny, they just reduce their tax bill. They then sell the debt on (so they've had their money back for the debt, thus 'paying it off' and writing it off so it no longer exists) - they now sell this non-existant debt on to a third party, say Labman Debt Ltd for say £800. So the original debt has been repaid via the taxman, and sold for £800 - the OC has made £3800.

            Labman Debt Ltd sees the amount is over the £750 threshold and the person has equity in their property, as revealed through a simple credit check. They issue a stat demand, and the person is made bankrupt. Labman Ltd gets their £3000. So now the debt has been written off for £3000, sold for £800 and recovered for £3000 by Labman Ltd = £6800.

            This is BEFORE the OR's fees which escalate rapidly, and legally.

            It is not only wrong and unfair. It is totally immoral and should be outlawed.

            I'll back you! :beagle:

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            • #7
              Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

              Originally posted by celestine View Post
              As Alex is bankrupt, the Official Receiver appoints a Trustee. This Trustee is a professional insolvency practitioner and 'takes over' Alex's financial affairs.

              Six months later, Alex's meagre property is disposed of in a forced sale, he had equity of about £50,000.

              The receivers fees for handling his affairs now top £30,000 and Lowells fees are over £7000.
              Yep. Not surprised. That is the general way it goes with appointed IPs. Bigger legal rip off merchants you would hard placed to find.

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              • #8
                Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

                Absolutely abhorrent ........I'll sign any such petition.

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                • #9
                  Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

                  Terrible story, I would sign as well.
                  Never give up, Never surrender.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

                    Disgusting.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

                      This has been going on for years; I know of several who have lost all but everything.
                      Even those who had negative equity in the properties eventually lost all, as the OR just sat back and waited until the time was right to strike!

                      Bankruptcy is such a complicated and serious financial situation to find oneself in...!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

                        The £750 trigger figure has been unchanged since 1986, or possibly before.

                        Unbelievable!

                        Count me in!
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                        • #13
                          Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

                          There you go Kate, get an online petition going, we can all share it on our Facebook pages, guaranteed it will go 'viral' pretty soon and achieve the 100,000 signatures to get it read in Parliament or the House of Lords which ever one that does it.

                          If you want the send me the proper wording and I'll start it up, I've got not worries about sticking my head on the block for this one.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

                            If its a petition I and missus will sign a change is needed NOW!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bankruptcy - Scarier than I realised

                              I don't think it is just the £750 that needs changing but the entire system, this is much too easy and can be set up by anyone.
                              If it needs laws changing whatever, so be it, because if the Judges (gawd 'elp us) are only going off laws and regs that are one sided it all needs a clean sweep and things put in place to make it fairer.
                              I do believe anyone should be able to reclaim a valid debt but it must be on more individual basis than it is now and not so blinkered and horrible.

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