Bailiff £75 Compliance fee, do I have to pay it?

[wales01man]

Re: Bailiff £75 Compliance fee, do I have to pay it?

that wot I tought being tick I tought the worked for nuthink

Re: Bailiff £75 Compliance fee, do I have to pay it?

So we are saying if you pay the council direct no £75 fee is payable?
Sir vere who comes on LB needs to clarify this he or she seems to know the answer or we could tell the Bailiffs they are working for nothing if after a letter from them the debt is paid without their fees deducted or do the council pay £75 from public money to them?

Yes this is what is being said, but it is nonsense. The regulations are quite clear the total amount outstanding is the sum of the fee, for the stage reached plus the amount due under the warrant/order. Until this is settled there will be an outstanding balance due and the bailiff is entitled to recover it, if the payment is made to the council they will just call the bailiff and say, this much has been paid off the debt and this much is due. To me how and when they divide up the spoils is of little inters to be honest.

Re: Bailiff £75 Compliance fee, do I have to pay it?

So that's confirmation that there is no legislation that says the council are legally obliged to pass on the £75 compliance fee if you pay them direct. It therefore follows that they are not legally obliged to pass on any fees to the bailiff should the debtor pay them direct.

Many thanks.

Well i don't agree, but it you like, the question is, what difference does it make to the debtor, He still has to pay the total sum or else the bailiff calls and bumps the bill up, as he is fully entitled to do.
and Your welcome

[wales01man]

Re: Bailiff £75 Compliance fee, do I have to pay it?

So we are saying if you pay the council direct no £75 fee is payable?
Sir vere who comes on LB needs to clarify this he or she seems to know the answer or we could tell the Bailiffs they are working for nothing if after a letter from them the debt is paid without their fees deducted or do the council pay £75 from public money to them?

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The legislation is copy and pasted of course, the alternative would be for me to make it up, I will leave that to you FMOL boys, the rest is just interpretation of the facts provided by me.

There is no need for any regulation which says any fee must be passed to anyone, if it makes you fell better to think that a council worker trots hot foot around to the bailiffs office with £75 then fine, but it makes no difference. The total sum is due to be paid, whoever it is paid to makes no odds, if there is a shortfall the bailiff can collect. That is what all that cut and paste legislation says.

So that's confirmation that there is no legislation that says the council are legally obliged to pass on the £75 compliance fee if you pay them direct. It therefore follows that they are not legally obliged to pass on any fees to the bailiff should the debtor pay them direct.

Many thanks.

Re: Bailiff £75 Compliance fee, do I have to pay it?

So that's confirmation that there is no legislation that says the council are legally obliged to pass on the £75 compliance fee if you pay them direct. It therefore follows that they are not legally obliged to pass on any fees to the bailiff should the debtor pay them direct.

Many thanks.

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That copy and paste job does little to help anyone. Please can you show exactly where it says that if you pay the council direct, they are legally obliged, or they must, pass on the £75 compliance stage fee to the bailiff.

I don't mean explanations that the councils do, or they have being doing; only where it says they MUST do so. Also no quotes about a bailiff being entitled to charge (as we know they can, just as any other tradesman is entitled to charge for their services), just the part where the legislation says that the £75 must legally be passed on by the council.

If you can't show that in your next answer, I'll assume you can never show it.

The legislation is copy and pasted of course, the alternative would be for me to make it up, I will leave that to you FMOL boys, the rest is just interpretation of the facts provided by me.

There is no need for any regulation which says any fee must be passed to anyone, if it makes you fell better to think that a council worker trots hot foot around to the bailiffs office with £75 then fine, but it makes no difference. The total sum is due to be paid, whoever it is paid to makes no odds, if there is a shortfall the bailiff can collect. That is what all that cut and paste legislation says.

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The legislation is in post 2 on here.

That copy and paste job does little to help anyone. Please can you show exactly where it says that if you pay the council direct, they are legally obliged, or they must, pass on the £75 compliance stage fee to the bailiff.

I don't mean explanations that the councils do, or they have being doing; only where it says they MUST do so. Also no quotes about a bailiff being entitled to charge (as we know they can, just as any other tradesman is entitled to charge for their services), just the part where the legislation says that the £75 must legally be passed on by the council.

If you can't show that in your next answer, I'll assume you can never show it.

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No-one has ever questioned whether a bailiff can charge his fee; the question is how it's paid. I've yet to see any legislation that says if you pay the creditor direct (ie the council), they must pass on the £75 compliance fee to the bailiff. I have seen this debated on another forum until they, typically, closed the thread as it annoys their paymasters. Hopefully a reasoned, informed debate can continue here.

Unless I'm mistaken, the bailiff is not an employee of the council, so why would they be paying him? Are you saying that the Government has created a system that guarantees a revenue stream for the bailiffs?

So that's my first challenge - show where the legislation states that a council MUST pass on the £75 compliance stage fee.


This would all be a lot easier if this Government accepted that bailiffs belong in the middle ages, and that there are better, easier ways of collecting debts without the crippling fees. That is why so many are hardened against the bailiff - the grotesque fees charged for the little work done. £235 for knocking on your door - come on.

The legislation is in post 2 on here. The matter has been raised several times in an attempt to prevent people form coming unstuck, unfortunately the thread you refer to mentions such cases, all documented. The thread was closed because of the input of those who do not understand or wish to understand the situation for various reasons best known to themselves.
It really is pointless arguing because this is the way it works, you pay the council, the bailiffs call and collect their fee and add £235 to your bill

[wales01man]

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Think we all agree with you on the need for Bailiffs but they are there

Re: Bailiff £75 Compliance fee, do I have to pay it?

No-one has ever questioned whether a bailiff can charge his fee; the question is how it's paid. I've yet to see any legislation that says if you pay the creditor direct (ie the council), they must pass on the £75 compliance fee to the bailiff. I have seen this debated on another forum until they, typically, closed the thread as it annoys their paymasters. Hopefully a reasoned, informed debate can continue here.

Unless I'm mistaken, the bailiff is not an employee of the council, so why would they be paying him? Are you saying that the Government has created a system that guarantees a revenue stream for the bailiffs?

So that's my first challenge - show where the legislation states that a council MUST pass on the £75 compliance stage fee.


This would all be a lot easier if this Government accepted that bailiffs belong in the middle ages, and that there are better, easier ways of collecting debts without the crippling fees. That is why so many are hardened against the bailiff - the grotesque fees charged for the little work done. £235 for knocking on your door - come on.

[Kati]

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I agree (although I'm loath to admit EAs are owed anything) - If a bailiff firm is employed to enforce a debt, they have a right to be paid their fee ... and if the debt is paid early enough, the debtor is not charged the extra £235 for a bailiff visit

[wales01man]

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If a Bailiff is brought into get the debt paid and after the debtor receives the letter from the Bailiff the money is paid stands to reason the £75 fee is payable after all the Bailiffs have done the work and the money is paid?
If the Bailiffs fees are avoidable why should they be involved or are they expected to work for nothing!
I do not support Bailiffs I think Councils should chase the debt in house as for the size of the Fees seems high but that's how they are

Re: Bailiff £75 Compliance fee, do I have to pay it?

Am I correct in thinking that

1, if the creditor is paid in full by the debtor (instead of the bailiff) they will pass on the £75 compliance fee before taking money off for the debt??
2, if the bailiff is paid the amount owed (to the creditor) they can take their £75 compliance fee out of the money before passing the rest on to the creditor??

meaning that they get their fee either way, and the debtor will still owe £75??

Yes this is my understanding, however as far as the debtor is concerned it is largely irrelevant, as however the financial accommodation between the authority and the EA is organised, the remaining debt will still be reclaimable under the bailiffs powers.

[Kati]

Re: Bailiff £75 Compliance fee, do I have to pay it?

Am I correct in thinking that

1, if the creditor is paid in full by the debtor (instead of the bailiff) they will pass on the £75 compliance fee before taking money off for the debt??
2, if the bailiff is paid the amount owed (to the creditor) they can take their £75 compliance fee out of the money before passing the rest on to the creditor??

meaning that they get their fee either way, and the debtor will still owe £75??