Default on walking possession

[chelle1990]

Hi I wondered if anyone could advise what is about to come our way.

Back in January 2013 I signed a Walking processions order thing for council tax arrears. The goods are our red fabric sofa, arm chair and the foot stool.

Unfortunately we defaulted on our payment in December, usual reasons I.e Christmas, family, kids etc.

They are now passing this to their bailiff tomorrow and require a full payment of £254. We simply do not have this at this given time, but my student finance will be coming in the 23rd which was going to pay off the debt in total (and two others through the same bailiff)

Should I allows them to take the sofas etc? I don't want them too as with two kids aged 5 and 2 it might be a bit upsetting and I don't believe they can take them as they are needed. Is that right?

I completely understand its our fault and I'll happily just accept what is expected but I'd just like a little hinde sight if anyone can provide?

If it makes any difference the bailiff is Chandlers.

Thanks for your time

Michelle

[chelle1990]

Re: Default on walking possession

Haha yes bailiffs but also the finding out all these mysterious visits and charges :/

Let's see if tomorrow brings replies!

[bluebottle]

Re: Default on walking possession

I know we haven't had a visit we where in all day. As my partner works nights and we'd been at my mums the day before for new years. I have emailed Simon and the councillor with my concerns.

What a big ugly mess! :/

If you are talking about the bailiff who appeared on your doorstep, you may well be right.

[chelle1990]

Re: Default on walking possession

I know we haven't had a visit we where in all day. As my partner works nights and we'd been at my mums the day before for new years. I have emailed Simon and the councillor with my concerns.

What a big ugly mess! :/

[bizzybob]

Re: Default on walking possession

Even the Ferengi would not be as rapacious as Chandlers and Crapita.

Re: Default on walking possession

Sxxxx Ixxxx
Council Tax Recovery Team Leader

Email Sxxxx.Ixxxx@crapita.co.uk

www.capita-lgs.co.uk
Capita’s local government services business is part of Capita Plc, the UK’s leading professional and support services organisation. We provide local authorities with specialist support covering: revenues and benefits administration, customer services, financial services, training, IT and administration support. To find out more about our business and the full range of services we offer, visit our website: www.capita-lgs.co.uk

That explains it - Crapita are quite notorious for buggering up almost everything they handle.

Council Tax Account
25 street
Liability Order Date 14th October 2013
Date
Fee
Amount
02/01/2014
1st Visit
£24.50
Total
£24.50

This one in confused about. I knew we had a liability order, but first visit? Never had a visit yet :/

Perhaps Chandlers - who one might reasonably suppose to be some economical with the actualité - have stated that a visit has been made when it actually hasn't?

And this: "With regard to the bailiff fees that have been charges which are listed above as a result of the accounts being recalled from Chandlers Bailiffs the balance of the fees charges will have been written off by Chandlers and are therefore no longer payable..."
Does that mean the fees are removed?? :/

No, it doesn't.

What it means is that Chandlers won't - or shouldn't - try to chase you for any more of their improper, invalid or unlawful fees, but those you have already given to Chandlers will remain with Chandlers, in keeping with the First Rule of Acquisition. (link)

[chelle1990]

Re: Default on walking possession

Council Tax Account
25 street
Liability Order Date 14th October 2013
Date
Fee
Amount
02/01/2014
1st Visit
£24.50
Total
£24.50
Liability Order Date 17th June 2013
Date
Fee
Amount
06/08/2013
1st Visit
£24.50
02/09/2013
2nd Visit
£18.00
Total
£42.50

This one in confused about. I knew we had a liability order, but first visit? Never had a visit yet :/

And this:
With regard to the bailiff fees that have been charges which are listed above as a result of the accounts being recalled from Chandlers Bailiffs the balance of the fees charges will have been written off by Chandlers and are therefore no longer payable....
Does that mean the fees are removed?? :/

I'm so confused buy it all! I'm sorry it's not clear some of it, I copied from email and the tables didn't come up.

[chelle1990]

Re: Default on walking possession

Morning guys sorry I've been away for a while (family stuff)

Here the email I've (finally) received Thursday:




Dear

Reference Council Tax Accounts

I refer to the above and our recent telephone conversation regarding your Council Tax arrears.

As requested I have included a breakdown of both of your Council Tax accounts inclusive of the payments received and also a breakdown of the fees charged by Chandlers Bailiffs.

Council Tax Account - Liable From 25th January 2012 to Present
25 street
Year
Balance Brought Forward
Liability
Less Discount
Less Exemption
Less Benefit
Plus Costs
Less Payment
Balance








£0.00
2011
£0.00
£196.23



£100.00

£296.23
2012
£296.23
£1,071.92
£149.04


£100.00
£130.50
£1,188.61
2013
£1,188.61
£1,072.36
£65.37


£200.00
£585.75
£1,809.85

Payments

Council Tax Account
25 street
2012/13
Date
Payment
Amount
31/01/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£75.50
01/03/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£5.00
27/03/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£50.00
Total
£130.50
2013/14
Date
Payment
Amount
01/05/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£10.50
01/05/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£50.00
24/05/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00
24/05/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£50.00
20/06/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00
20/06/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£50.00
22/07/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00
22/07/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£50.00
23/08/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£50.25
23/08/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00
11/10/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£50.00
11/10/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00
25/10/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00
25/10/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£50.00
22/11/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£50.00
22/11/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00
Total
£585.75

Bailiff Fees

Council Tax Account
25 street
Liability Order Date 14th October 2013
Date
Fee
Amount
02/01/2014
1st Visit
£24.50
Total
£24.50
Liability Order Date 17th June 2013
Date
Fee
Amount
06/08/2013
1st Visit
£24.50
02/09/2013
2nd Visit
£18.00
Total
£42.50
Liability Order Date 8th October 2012
Date
Fee
Amount
20/11/2012
1st Visit
£24.50
17/01/2013
Tone Pay Fee
£1.00
22/01/2013
Walking Possession Fee
12.00
25/01/2013
Tone Pay Fee
£1.00
14/02/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.25
15/03/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.25
11/04/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
09/05/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
06/06/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
04/07/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
04/08/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
25/09/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
09/10/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
09/11/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
Total
£49.00
Liability Order Date 13th August 2012
Date
Fee
Amount
23/10/2012
1st Visit
£24.50
14/11/2012
2nd Visit
£18.00
22/01/2013
Walking Possession Fee
£12.00
22/01/2013
Levy Fee
£35.00
25/01/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
14/02/2013
Online Payment Fee
£0.63
14/03/2013
Online Payment Fee
£0.63
11/04/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
09/05/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
06/06/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
04/07/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
04/08/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
25/09/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
09/10/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
09/11/2013
Online Payment Fee
£1.00
Total
£99.76


Council Tax Account - Liable From 19th November 2011 to 30th Jan 2012
4 street
Year
Balance Brought Forward
Liability
Less Discount
Less Exemption
Less Benefit
Plus Costs
Less Payment
Balance








£0.00
2011
£0.00
£213.81





£213.81
2012
£213.81




£100.00
£44.00
£269.81
2013
£269.81





£205.13
£64.68

Payments


Council Tax Accounts

4 street


2012/13

Date
Payment
Amount

02/08/2012
Pay.Net
£44.00

Total
£44.00

2013/14

Date
Payment
Amount

01/05/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£5.50

01/05/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00

24/05/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00

20/06/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00

22/07/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00

23/08/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£24.63

11/10/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00

25/10/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00

22/11/2013
Chandlers Bailiffs
£25.00

Total
£205.13

Council Tax Account
4 street
Date
Fee
Amount
18/12/2012
1st Visit
£24.50
22/01/2013
Walking Possession Fee
£12.00
22/01/2013
Levy Fee
£33.00
14/03/2013
Card Payment Fee
£0.63
18/03/2013
Attendance Fee
£190.00
11/04/2013
Card Payment Fee
£1.00
09/05/2013
Card Payment Fee
£1.00
06/06/2013
Card Payment Fee
£1.00
04/07/2013
Card Payment Fee
£1.00
04/08/2013
Card Payment Fee
£1.00
25/09/2013
Card Payment Fee
£1.00
09/10/2013
Card Payment Fee
£1.00
09/11/2013
Card Payment Fee
£1.00
Total
£268.13

With regard to the bailiff fees that have been charges which are listed above as a result of the accounts being recalled from Chandlers Bailiffs the balance of the fees charges will have been written off by Chandlers and are therefore no longer payable.

I can confirm that all of the accounts have been recalled from Chandlers Bailiffs and an attachment of earnings order has been issued to your employers to have deductions made directly from your earnings.
I would urge you to settle the remaining balance owed on your former account at 4 Street to avoid an attachment of earnings order being set on this balance in the future.

I also attach here with a direct debit mandate for you to print and return so that your future liability can be collected directly from your bank account and avoid the need for any future recovery action being taken.

With regards to the other queries that were raised during our telephone conversation I must advise that these are currently being investigated with Chandlers Bailiffs and as soon as I have a response from them regarding these matters I will be in contact with you again.

However if you require any further information of assistance please do not hesitate to contact me by reply.

Yours sincerely

Simon Irvin

Simon Irvin
Council Tax Recovery Team Leader


Email Simon.Irvin@capita.co.uk

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[ploddertom]

Re: Default on walking possession

Why not suggest your Councillors look both here and CAG to see the types of shennigans that Bailiffs get up to. They will soon see that 1 firm is very much the same as another and very few if any can be trusted.

[bizzybob]

Re: Default on walking possession

Remind them that it is their duty to keep an eye on these things, and if it is systemic as it appears to be , and Chandlers are actually engaged in criminal actions aka fee fraud they should stamp it out and haul their revenue officials over the coals. Also remind them that it makes the councils image look terrible.

Re: Default on walking possession

I did get a reply back from the councillor. Short and sweet:

'All councillors have had to deal with similar cases.'

How do you reply to that??

I believe I might politely ask him why nothing seems to have been done to prevent a recurrence of such abuse of the process by bailiffs.

[bluebottle]

Re: Default on walking possession

All well and goods saying it though, I don't believe anything till I see it happening. And to be honest I'd like to hear what's happening about our account.

The above doesn't sound good. :/

Go to YouTube and then go to the UK Column channel. The guy who presents UK Column Live, Brian Gerrish, is an authority on Common Purpose. Also, Google "Saul Alinsky - Rules for Radicals". Alinsky was a Marxist agitator and whose creed most of the main political parties in the UK - Tories and Labour especially - seem to have adopted. Read through "Rules for Radicals" and the reasons why everything seems to be going mammaries up will become very clear.

[chelle1990]

Re: Default on walking possession

Common Purpose is a very nasty political organisation, hell-bent on bringing in a corporatist-globalist regime which is not dissimilar to the regime under the Nazis during WW2. However, they masquerade as a legitimate charity and make use of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) in a very dangerous way. You can always spot a Common Purpose "graduate" because they throw a wobbler when you challenge or question what they say.

If the councillor has said what they have, it shows they and the other councillors need to act to deal with the issues involved. They cannot just shrug their shoulders and walk away. If they let things go, they will end up being made financially-liable.

All well and goods saying it though, I don't believe anything till I see it happening. And to be honest I'd like to hear what's happening about our account.

The above doesn't sound good. :/

[bluebottle]

Re: Default on walking possession

I don't understand any of the above really

though I am hoping that this is going to go to action rather than just trying to be seen to be doing something. I did get a reply back from the councillor. Short and sweet:

'All councillors have had to deal with similar cases.'

How do you reply to that?? :/
And still no word from Simon..... But a copy of the AOE sent to my partners employer arrived today. Sigh. Quick enough to do that but can't even send a quick email with contact details.

Common Purpose is a very nasty political organisation, hell-bent on bringing in a corporatist-globalist regime which is not dissimilar to the regime under the Nazis during WW2. However, they masquerade as a legitimate charity and make use of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) in a very dangerous way. You can always spot a Common Purpose "graduate" because they throw a wobbler when you challenge or question what they say.

If the councillor has said what they have, it shows they and the other councillors need to act to deal with the issues involved. They cannot just shrug their shoulders and walk away. If they let things go, they will end up being made financially-liable.

[chelle1990]

Re: Default on walking possession

I don't understand any of the above really

though I am hoping that this is going to go to action rather than just trying to be seen to be doing something. I did get a reply back from the councillor. Short and sweet:

'All councillors have had to deal with similar cases.'

How do you reply to that?? :/
And still no word from Simon..... But a copy of the AOE sent to my partners employer arrived today. Sigh. Quick enough to do that but can't even send a quick email with contact details.