Excessive Charges by Collectica bailiffs.

[bluebottle]

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There are more people employed by the unCivil Swercive today than when this proud Empire never saw the sun set...the reason we have ministers every now and again, is to put a face to the guys in grey suits!

Front guy/girl and fall guy/girl for civil serpents' feck-ups and Macevellian manipulations, more like.

[bluebottle]

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Grey Men (and Women) with no moral compass, mind you would they understaand what a compass is? There are too many of 'em for our best interest.

I agree, There are far too many civil serpents and far too much interference and involvement of the private sector in public services. A number of left-wing backbench Conservative MPs have advocated reducing the number of civil serpents and keeping the private sector out of public services. It might be better if they got rid of the Thunderbirds puppets on the government front bench first.

[bizzybob]

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I agree, There are far too many civil serpents and far too much interference and involvement of the private sector in public services. A number of left-wing backbench Conservative MPs have advocated reducing the number of civil serpents and keeping the private sector out of public services. It might be better if they got rid of the Thunderbirds puppets on the government front bench.

Cabbage patch and especially Gideon always look like they are sneering at the camera, and therefore the electorate during interviews

[bluebottle]

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Cabbage patch and especially Gideon always look like they are sneering at the camera, and therefore the electorate during interviews

I believe the Speaker has told Cabbage Patch and Gideon that Halloween has been and gone and to stop doing "Trick or Treat" during Prime Minister's Questions. It is also my understanding that the Speaker has spoken to Gideon about auditioning for the part of the villain in the House of Commons Christmas Panto. :grin:

[EagerBeagle]

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Before this thread got taken some place very far from where it started, what money can I recover? Do I claim for the illegal part of the charge only, which is ~£60? The whole amount? Everything I paid to the bailiffs?

Secondly, can I claim for litigant in person hourly rates?

In relation to the compensation claim, yes I could pay at the notice to owner stage etc and I didn't. I broke the law, I paid for it. That is my duty. I did not invite the bailiffs to break the law themselves and impose charges which are not in accordance with the law.

I received a response, with a breakdown of costs, I have been overcharged and I have asked for the money back from the council and the bailiffs. Both refused.

Furthermore, I am 90% certain the council does not have an SLA with the council, the council did not have the outdated document (Outdated by around 3 weeks) but did supply the new form, signed a few days after I kicked up a fuss about it!

[CleverClogs]

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I received a response, with a breakdown of costs, I have been overcharged and I have asked for the money back from the council and the bailiffs. Both refused.

Well, they would, wouldn't they?

Collectica dissemble, for that is what bailiffs do, whilst the council minions sing their usual litany of "You've got to speak to the bailiffs!".

Complaining to bailiffs has rarely been known to work without the intercession of St Jude, but complaining to the council responsible can be much more successful.

Which council is it?

Furthermore, I am 90% certain the council does not have an SLA with the council, the council did not have the outdated document (Outdated by around 3 weeks) but did supply the new form, signed a few days after I kicked up a fuss about it!

SLA?

[bizzybob]

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Must mean a Service Level Agreement, bailiffs have contracts with councils, the CON usually means the bailiff extorts money and underpays the council.

[CleverClogs]

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Once I know which council is involved, I should be able to find the CEO's email address and/or Twitter account.

[bizzybob]

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Once I know which council is involved, I should be able to find the CEO's email address and/or Twitter account.

Councils don't like being twatted on twatter, over muppetry or worse and directly emailing the CEO circumvents a minion intercepting complaints.

[CleverClogs]

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Councils don't like being twatted on twatter, over muppetry or worse and directly emailing the CEO circumvents a minion intercepting complaints.

Exactly! :grin:

[bizzybob]

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Exactly! :grin:

It's nice to ruin their day just like some citizen impoverished by mortgage/rent, utiliy bills and outrageous council tax demands has had their life ruined by the councils out of control bailiffs.

Council tax is egregious, as it takes no account of ability to pay, maybe it breaches HRA, as it is by definition unaffordable to many?

[EagerBeagle]

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I wasn't expecting the bailiffs or council to pay up. After all, vermin never give up. However it does go to show I have exhausted all options available, by complaining to all avenues possible, before taking court action. This is something a judge would expect a person to do.

SLA = Service Level Agreement, like Bizzybob said really. Apparently this is required by some sort of archaic law, I am really trying to wrangle it out of KIRKLEES COUNCIL if they ever had a document in place between the dates specified.
There's no point contacting Kirklees council any further really, I have been through the entire roster of employees at that place, from head of parking services, to legal teams to the CEO to the local councillor and nobody is quite sure on what their able to do.

This isn't even council tax, it's a debt for a 2 year old unpaid parking ticket...... I don't mind paying what I owe, I always pay my way however I will not pay a penny more than I should.

I once got Carphone Warehouse to actually send a cheque for a penny to me. If they will chase you for a penny, you chase them for a penny.

[CleverClogs]

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I wasn't expecting the bailiffs or council to pay up. After all, vermin never give up. However it does go to show I have exhausted all options available, by complaining to all avenues possible, before taking court action. This is something a judge would expect a person to do.

Don't - you may lose and then Collectica will clobber you with their costs.

Go to the Local Government Ombudswoman instead - http://www.lgo.org.uk/

There's no point contacting Kirklees council any further really, I have been through the entire roster of employees at that place, from head of parking services, to legal teams to the CEO

These chaps?

http://www.kirklees.gov.uk/you-kmc/k...nagement.shtml

[EagerBeagle]

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I don't really forsee how I can lose when it seems like a pretty open and shut case really. The law prescribes something, the bailiff breaks the law, I went through the complaints procedure, to no avail.

I did think about going through the LGO but that is one lengthy drawn out process and seem to dismiss a case with any reason.

Just trying to think which lawyers to consult on this, civil litigation or consumer problems?

Yep, that's them. Although I have a feeling every single council is the same in the country. Useless.

[CleverClogs]

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I don't really forsee how I can lose when it seems like a pretty open and shut case really.

That is the danger.

The law prescribes something, the bailiff breaks the law, I went through the complaints procedure, to no avail.

What response - if any - did you get from Mssrs. Copley and/or Lythgow?

I did think about going through the LGO but that is one lengthy drawn out process and seem to dismiss a case with any reason.

If the LGO were to dismiss your case - and, if it was to get anywhere, your case would need to be a case of maladministration arising from inadequate oversight or supervision of their enforcement agents - you would still be able to sue the council, Collectica or both. Just do not mention or hint to the LGO that you are even thinking about suing, or your complaint will be rejected. The best point about using the LGO is that the service is free to the complainant.

Do you seriously believe that the council or Collectica would admit to wrong doing by their bailiffs as soon as they get the Letter Before Action, or the moment they see the claim form from the County Court?

If you do, I'd really have to ask how many times you were dropped on your head when you were yet a baby. :tinysmile_hmm_t2:

They won't just stump up. They'll fight it all the way and try to ramp up both their costs and yours in the process.